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Certainly you agree that its easier to get something like this done in India though? Roughly half of the population[0] there has paid a bribe at some point in t

Certainly you agree that its easier to get something like this done in India though? Roughly half of the population[0] there has paid a bribe at some point in time. [0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_India

GFischer 10y ago
Only half? Any South American over 18 has probably paid a bribe at some point (mostly traffic tickets or such here in Uruguay, and most elsewhere in Latin America). If you travel for any length of time in Latin America, chances are the police will attempt to extract a bribe. http://www.drivetheamericas.com/wiki/dealing-corrupt-police http://www.drivetheamericas.com/wiki/dealing-corrupt-police https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/opinion/south-americas-culture-of-graft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/opinion/south-americas-cu...
delecti 10y ago
Certainly that's not a good sign, but I don't find that statistic nearly as interesting as the (apparently unmentioned) proportion of the population who has accepted a bribe. If paying a bribe is only the way to get things done, then doing so is just trying to move through the system. In a corrupt system, accepting a bribe is the sign that an individual is themselves corrupt.
- madez 10y ago
  Besides the fact that in India corruption and scam is a common and widespread problem, accepting a bribe is certainly worse than giving one. Sometimes you just don't have any other option than giving a bribe, while the one accepting the bribe most often has.
- lostboys67 10y ago
  Both are under UK and US laws as RollsRoyce is finding out
- speeder 10y ago
  I am from Brazil, once a poll was made with two questions: 1. Do you believe all politicians are corrupt? 2. If you got elected, would you become corrupt? The replies for "yes" were 90% for question 1 and 67% for question 2.
gnufied 10y ago
Way to go cherry picking - "paid bribe or influence peddling" even if we take reliability of such a data at its face value. Did you read your own source? But who am I kidding right. Certainly US & UK is bastion of corruption free conduct by public officials/politicians. A majority of our public leaders gets enough money from companies that - climate change has been debunked as a problem. Corruption in a developed world and developing country is very different. In India - a street cop makes $200-$300/month, his corruption involves taking 20 Rupees($0.3) from an Autorickshaw that should have been carrying 3 passengers and carries 5. You don't see this kind of corruption in US for obvious reasons. This is the kind of corruption most Indians deal with in daily life - yeah it is not great but this is something country has to live with until country figures out a way to deal with it. What worries me more is - corruption in upper echelons of power. People who can do real damage. Someone paid someone to plant a hoax about WMDs in Iraq and a country is on brink of destruction. Enough politicians are on NRA payroll that - guns will be sold to anyone. But I digress - I don't see how corruption of public officials in India led to this scam call center. It sounds like - bunch of people got greedy and decided to make some quick money. It can happen anywhere - look at Wall Street, Uber, Well Fargo..
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Am I to understand that your argument is while India has a culture of corruption on the lower levels at the highest levels of government and business they do not?

GFischer 10y ago

Only half? Any South American over 18 has probably paid a bribe at some point (mostly traffic tickets or such here in Uruguay, and most elsewhere in Latin America). If you travel for any length of time in Latin America, chances are the police will attempt to extract a bribe. http://www.drivetheamericas.com/wiki/dealing-corrupt-police http://www.drivetheamericas.com/wiki/dealing-corrupt-police https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/opinion/south-americas-culture-of-graft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/opinion/south-americas-cu...

delecti 10y ago

Certainly that's not a good sign, but I don't find that statistic nearly as interesting as the (apparently unmentioned) proportion of the population who has accepted a bribe. If paying a bribe is only the way to get things done, then doing so is just trying to move through the system. In a corrupt system, accepting a bribe is the sign that an individual is themselves corrupt.

madez 10y ago
Besides the fact that in India corruption and scam is a common and widespread problem, accepting a bribe is certainly worse than giving one. Sometimes you just don't have any other option than giving a bribe, while the one accepting the bribe most often has.
lostboys67 10y ago
Both are under UK and US laws as RollsRoyce is finding out
speeder 10y ago
I am from Brazil, once a poll was made with two questions: 1. Do you believe all politicians are corrupt? 2. If you got elected, would you become corrupt? The replies for "yes" were 90% for question 1 and 67% for question 2.

gnufied 10y ago

Way to go cherry picking - "paid bribe or influence peddling" even if we take reliability of such a data at its face value. Did you read your own source? But who am I kidding right. Certainly US & UK is bastion of corruption free conduct by public officials/politicians. A majority of our public leaders gets enough money from companies that - climate change has been debunked as a problem. Corruption in a developed world and developing country is very different. In India - a street cop makes $200-$300/month, his corruption involves taking 20 Rupees($0.3) from an Autorickshaw that should have been carrying 3 passengers and carries 5. You don't see this kind of corruption in US for obvious reasons. This is the kind of corruption most Indians deal with in daily life - yeah it is not great but this is something country has to live with until country figures out a way to deal with it. What worries me more is - corruption in upper echelons of power. People who can do real damage. Someone paid someone to plant a hoax about WMDs in Iraq and a country is on brink of destruction. Enough politicians are on NRA payroll that - guns will be sold to anyone. But I digress - I don't see how corruption of public officials in India led to this scam call center. It sounds like - bunch of people got greedy and decided to make some quick money. It can happen anywhere - look at Wall Street, Uber, Well Fargo..

cmdrfred 10y ago
Am I to understand that your argument is while India has a culture of corruption on the lower levels at the highest levels of government and business they do not?