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I haven't followed up everything, but how is Google leading the AI race vs Facebook? I haven't seen a consumer service by Google run by AI. There's the hugely

by mtw 10y ago

I haven't followed up everything, but how is Google leading the AI race vs Facebook? I haven't seen a consumer service by Google run by AI. There's the hugely popular Tenserflow but it's for developers and Facebook also released nice libraries (e.g for Torch)

hendzen 10y ago
"I haven't seen a consumer service by Google run by AI". Have you, perchance, used Google Search?
detaro 10y ago
Google Now, Speech recognition in various other products, image search, automatic tagging of photos, ... ?
ganfortran 10y ago
WHAT? It is exactly opposite, no Google services that accumulate enough data don't use machine learning these days. For god sake, they even use deep learning to save electricity bill for their data center! Search, recommendation, knowledge graph, ads, photos, translate, even youtube thumbnails have some parts powered by ML.
- Houshalter 10y ago
  As late as 2008 Google said they didn't use any machine learning in Search. They didn't trust it. Instead had an army of people to manually write search heuristics.
  - jeppebemad 10y ago
    A lot can happen in 8 years.. :) Google has RankBrain to process search results, and that's only what they've admitted to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain
    - Jordrok 10y ago
      Interestingly, the general perception I've had for a while now is that Google's search results have been getting slowly, gradually worse over the years. It seems like it works harder now to funnel you into some predefined concept of what it thinks you're looking for, rather than returning the data and letting you filter it yourself. That's great for very common searches, but makes it much harder to find anything that Google doesn't expect (or want) you to look for. Granted, I've got no data to back that up. I'm probably in the minority of users here, but I pretty sure I'm not the only one.
      - tdb7893 10y ago
        On the other hand I've found that for 98% of searches Google gives me exactly what I want as the first option and the other 2% Google makes some assumptions about my search and gives me garbage. Overall I'm very happy with it and it's definitely better for me than it was, it's interesting to see how different users can have very different perceptions of the same product
  - ganfortran 10y ago
    8 years ago, deep learning as a concept is not even a thing! If someone tells me we would have push image classification, speech recognition to human level or beyond, and make machine translation so much more usable I could call him nuts. In ML landscape, DL had changed fundermentally the expectation of what algorithm could achieve
    - Houshalter 10y ago
      I'm just impressed they were able to get so much without ML. And the fact they really distrusted ML for giving weird bugs and edge cases. Even back then, everyone just assumed they were using ML, and in fact it was just the opposite. I assume most of the core systems of Search are the same today, even if they may have added some ML to it now.
- thr0waway1239 10y ago
  Indeed. For some reference, here is something I saw recently in the Deep Learning for Coders course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_ckFbc6bI#t=16m0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_ckFbc6bI#t=16m0s
return0 10y ago
Google search is scary for me now. Multiple times it has predicted my next search before i even though of it.

by mtw 10y ago

hendzen 10y ago

"I haven't seen a consumer service by Google run by AI". Have you, perchance, used Google Search?

detaro 10y ago

Google Now, Speech recognition in various other products, image search, automatic tagging of photos, ... ?

ganfortran 10y ago

WHAT? It is exactly opposite, no Google services that accumulate enough data don't use machine learning these days. For god sake, they even use deep learning to save electricity bill for their data center! Search, recommendation, knowledge graph, ads, photos, translate, even youtube thumbnails have some parts powered by ML.

Houshalter 10y ago
As late as 2008 Google said they didn't use any machine learning in Search. They didn't trust it. Instead had an army of people to manually write search heuristics.
- jeppebemad 10y ago
  A lot can happen in 8 years.. :) Google has RankBrain to process search results, and that's only what they've admitted to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain
  - Jordrok 10y ago
    Interestingly, the general perception I've had for a while now is that Google's search results have been getting slowly, gradually worse over the years. It seems like it works harder now to funnel you into some predefined concept of what it thinks you're looking for, rather than returning the data and letting you filter it yourself. That's great for very common searches, but makes it much harder to find anything that Google doesn't expect (or want) you to look for. Granted, I've got no data to back that up. I'm probably in the minority of users here, but I pretty sure I'm not the only one.
    - tdb7893 10y ago
      On the other hand I've found that for 98% of searches Google gives me exactly what I want as the first option and the other 2% Google makes some assumptions about my search and gives me garbage. Overall I'm very happy with it and it's definitely better for me than it was, it's interesting to see how different users can have very different perceptions of the same product
- ganfortran 10y ago
  8 years ago, deep learning as a concept is not even a thing! If someone tells me we would have push image classification, speech recognition to human level or beyond, and make machine translation so much more usable I could call him nuts. In ML landscape, DL had changed fundermentally the expectation of what algorithm could achieve
  - Houshalter 10y ago
    I'm just impressed they were able to get so much without ML. And the fact they really distrusted ML for giving weird bugs and edge cases. Even back then, everyone just assumed they were using ML, and in fact it was just the opposite. I assume most of the core systems of Search are the same today, even if they may have added some ML to it now.
thr0waway1239 10y ago
Indeed. For some reference, here is something I saw recently in the Deep Learning for Coders course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_ckFbc6bI#t=16m0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_ckFbc6bI#t=16m0s

return0 10y ago

Google search is scary for me now. Multiple times it has predicted my next search before i even though of it.