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> There are a significant volume of $100k jobs out there (so if they lose them, I suspect they will find another fairly soon). Are you sure you're talking abou

> There are a significant volume of $100k jobs out there (so if they lose them, I suspect they will find another fairly soon). Are you sure you're talking about Toronto? My wife who is is an Executive in a particular industry has told me that there are engineers from Waterloo making 55-60k a year. At her last assignment there were several folks with CS Degrees making 55k and a UoT Grad with a Masters in CS making 65k. Being from the US she was surprised at the level these Grads were being utilized and quite astonished that they would be working for such poor wages. Anyway, the home we had in Bloor West Village was purchased in 2005 for 440k.That same house (nothing was done to it) sold for 1.4 million within the last year. 11 years and a 1 million appreciation. Quite the investment..... If things continue at the current rate that home will be worth about 10 + million in the next 10-15 years.

verelo 10y ago
If there are Waterloo grads looking for less than 80k for their first job (and they're not idiots), send them my way. I currently have 7 open developer positions I'm struggling to fill (and i'm more than happy to pay market rates for any level of experience!)
- randomdata 10y ago
  What do you consider market rates to be? As a Canadian developer who isn't starving, but open to opportunity, it's always difficult for me to justify the time commitment required to explore those opportunities for a secret amount of money.
  - verelo 10y ago
    Depends on a few things, experience, job (or internship) history and what tools you want to / are open to work with. Attitude is also key (I really hate "rockstar" jerks). I'd say the most common range I see new grads start at is between 65-80, sometimes 85-90 but that's rare, with the right experience and attitude later in life I regularly see people ranging from 100-150+ without any questions being raised. It's complicated but at the end of the day you're worth what you can justify. To me this is a question of how much I expect you can realistically contribute, which will not be the same for every place you interview due to the factors I mentioned above.
- aianus 10y ago
  You'd do better hiring 3 people at CA$160k (starting salary in SF for a fresh Waterloo grad) than 7 people at CA$80k. Even if the 10X developer is a myth, the 2X is very real and you're turning them away.

verelo 10y ago

If there are Waterloo grads looking for less than 80k for their first job (and they're not idiots), send them my way. I currently have 7 open developer positions I'm struggling to fill (and i'm more than happy to pay market rates for any level of experience!)

randomdata 10y ago
What do you consider market rates to be? As a Canadian developer who isn't starving, but open to opportunity, it's always difficult for me to justify the time commitment required to explore those opportunities for a secret amount of money.
- verelo 10y ago
  Depends on a few things, experience, job (or internship) history and what tools you want to / are open to work with. Attitude is also key (I really hate "rockstar" jerks). I'd say the most common range I see new grads start at is between 65-80, sometimes 85-90 but that's rare, with the right experience and attitude later in life I regularly see people ranging from 100-150+ without any questions being raised. It's complicated but at the end of the day you're worth what you can justify. To me this is a question of how much I expect you can realistically contribute, which will not be the same for every place you interview due to the factors I mentioned above.
aianus 10y ago
You'd do better hiring 3 people at CA$160k (starting salary in SF for a fresh Waterloo grad) than 7 people at CA$80k. Even if the 10X developer is a myth, the 2X is very real and you're turning them away.