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> The UI remains a convoluted Escher'esque nightmare. Totally disagree. I hopped from OS to OS for over a decade every other year or 3 (Win, OSX, Linuxes with

by dualogy 10y ago

> The UI remains a convoluted Escher'esque nightmare. Totally disagree. I hopped from OS to OS for over a decade every other year or 3 (Win, OSX, Linuxes with various DMs/WMs) and it's always, always an adjustment period from "WTF is this" to "totally productive with this now", usually a matter of 1-2 weeks. Happy with Fedora/Gnome right now but have to say just Explorer itself beats Finder and Nautilus (rebranded as "Gnome Files" apparently now) for keyboard users when it comes to out-of-box file managers. The weird new tiles/metro UI stuff they tried pushing from Win 8 is of course a pretty bad attempt to Microsoftify the "secondary desktop layer" concept that has been prevalent on the other OSes for longer, and better. It sucks, but also useless and thus not used for many/most power users I'd guess. The rest of the "UI" question is in the hands of individual independent app developers, as it properly should be.

AsyncAwait 10y ago
> Explorer itself beats Finder and Nautilus Have you checked out Nemo, which is basically the good old, full-featured Nautilus?
saghm 10y ago
Linux file explorers (Nautilus, etc.) aren't exactly a pleasure to use, but then again, as a Linux user, if I have to open a GUI to do something with my files, I'm usually not happy about it in the first place.
- keevie 10y ago
  Ever use ranger? Of course, not exactly comparable, but it's pretty amazing.
  - saghm 10y ago
    Oh, this looks interesting! I've never really tried out terminal-based file managers, but I could see myself using something like this. I'd definitely need to spend some time getting used to it though, not to mention learning how to do various things (show hidden files, etc.)
    - rsync 10y ago
      You, and others, might also find 'vimv' to be very useful ... it's not a file manager as you think of one, but it's very powerful. Your pwd opens up in vi and you can edit it as you see fit. When you :wq! all of the filename changes you have made get written to the directory.
- dualogy 10y ago
  > but then again, as a Linux user, if I have to open a GUI to do something with my files Well I'm kinda visual/directional when it comes to files and other data structures. Even before I had a PC that could run Windows, ie living in MS-DOS and certainly being aware of navigating and operating the file-system via CLI, I much preferred the blocky-ASCII-GUIs (with menus and "windows" and panes, usually both mouse&keyboard-capable) of Borland, MS and many other software vendors incl "commander"-type fie managers. So.. probably a very longstanding "habit" thing. The irony is in those days the "power-user" in general was adamant to get as quickly and as far away from the CLI as they can, even though they need to know some basics to automate script and launch stuff. Other than the odd GNU beard. Whereas the 2017 generation loves the CLI, would never have predicted such a thing! =) I've found time and again that once one operates with more than 1 or 2 dozen commands, it's disturbingly often `command --help` or `man command` first because there are only words (that vary from command to command) absent a program based on and supporting the rich set of commonly-used, de-facto-standard spatial gestures and interaction primitives that have evolved over the years.
- rerx 10y ago
  Dolphin is pretty nice! It also has a well integrated terminal with directory tracking, so it is straightforward to switch between command line and graphical operations.

by dualogy 10y ago

AsyncAwait 10y ago

> Explorer itself beats Finder and Nautilus Have you checked out Nemo, which is basically the good old, full-featured Nautilus?

saghm 10y ago

Linux file explorers (Nautilus, etc.) aren't exactly a pleasure to use, but then again, as a Linux user, if I have to open a GUI to do something with my files, I'm usually not happy about it in the first place.

keevie 10y ago
Ever use ranger? Of course, not exactly comparable, but it's pretty amazing.
- saghm 10y ago
  Oh, this looks interesting! I've never really tried out terminal-based file managers, but I could see myself using something like this. I'd definitely need to spend some time getting used to it though, not to mention learning how to do various things (show hidden files, etc.)
  - rsync 10y ago
    You, and others, might also find 'vimv' to be very useful ... it's not a file manager as you think of one, but it's very powerful. Your pwd opens up in vi and you can edit it as you see fit. When you :wq! all of the filename changes you have made get written to the directory.
dualogy 10y ago
> but then again, as a Linux user, if I have to open a GUI to do something with my files Well I'm kinda visual/directional when it comes to files and other data structures. Even before I had a PC that could run Windows, ie living in MS-DOS and certainly being aware of navigating and operating the file-system via CLI, I much preferred the blocky-ASCII-GUIs (with menus and "windows" and panes, usually both mouse&keyboard-capable) of Borland, MS and many other software vendors incl "commander"-type fie managers. So.. probably a very longstanding "habit" thing. The irony is in those days the "power-user" in general was adamant to get as quickly and as far away from the CLI as they can, even though they need to know some basics to automate script and launch stuff. Other than the odd GNU beard. Whereas the 2017 generation loves the CLI, would never have predicted such a thing! =) I've found time and again that once one operates with more than 1 or 2 dozen commands, it's disturbingly often `command --help` or `man command` first because there are only words (that vary from command to command) absent a program based on and supporting the rich set of commonly-used, de-facto-standard spatial gestures and interaction primitives that have evolved over the years.
rerx 10y ago
Dolphin is pretty nice! It also has a well integrated terminal with directory tracking, so it is straightforward to switch between command line and graphical operations.