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It says a lot. The desktop isnt a phone. Forcing phone features into a desktop and slowly turning the desktop into iOS is not a good thing. We were just fine

It says a lot. The desktop isnt a phone. Forcing phone features into a desktop and slowly turning the desktop into iOS is not a good thing. We were just fine without an app store. Just fine. I cant think of any of the "use this mobile feature on your desktop" that provides any real value...

coldtea 10y ago
>Forcing phone features into a desktop and slowly turning the desktop into iOS is not a good thing. Siri, maybe, but there's nothing about an FS or a programming language like Swift that makes them a "phone feature". Same for memory compression (which only exists on the Mac IIRC) and continuity (which would be useful even if it only worked from Mac to Mac). If anything Apple has adamantly refused to "force phone features into a desktop", and only ports stuff that makes sense -- that's sort of what Microsoft did, trying to merge e.g. tablet and desktop platforms in the same UI. >We were just fine without an app store. Just fine. Well, I'm much much better WITH an app store. Why wouldn't I want one? I might want some more features out of the Mac App Store (like the ability to demo an app) but I very much want to have it. And in no way is an app store a "mobile feature". App stores, (and app repos) existed way before they appeared on mobile phones, for one.
- RileyKyeden 10y ago
  > Same for memory compression (which only exists on the Mac IIRC) and continuity (which would be useful even if it only worked from Mac to Mac). Windows 10 has memory compression.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    "On the Mac" as opposed to "also on iOS".
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  - felipelemos 10y ago
    And Linux too since Dec 2012.
    - domenukk 10y ago
      And of course, Android (Cyanogenmod had it in 2010 or so)
    - majewsky 10y ago
      Huh? Is that enabled automatically, or do I need to flip a switch?
michaelmrose 10y ago
If the mac allowed the "store" to have more than one source, allowed usage via cli and gui and didn't require a 30% cut most of your software would probably come from the store and it would be a good thing.
- joombaga 10y ago
  They'd have to remove the account requirement too. Just `appstore install foo`.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Maybe the could just offer a way to download the apps via the internet, and then open some kind of image container and move a file to the Applications folder.
    - michaelmrose 10y ago
      This is inherently inferior as you are requiring the user to make the distinction between safe and unsafe software each and every time they install software something users are notoriously bad at. Additionally it makes it hard for 2 apps to specify libraries required meaning each must include whatever they require AND either updates are manual, read nonexistent, or each app includes its own nagging update mechanism.
  - michaelmrose 10y ago
    An account could be required for installation of non free software while still allowing installation of free software without it.
threeseed 10y ago
> We were just fine without an app store You were just fine. Don't speak for everyone. Finding applications on the internet is a dangerous endeavour if you are inexperienced. Many people get tricked by popups suggesting their computer is broken and they need to download a "cleaner app". Many people get tricked by the fake Download buttons. Many people just use whatever the first link on Google. And then once they are tricked they then proliferate their passwords, email addresses, credit cards etc all over the internet. App Stores IMHO are a must have for most people.
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coldtea 10y ago

>Forcing phone features into a desktop and slowly turning the desktop into iOS is not a good thing. Siri, maybe, but there's nothing about an FS or a programming language like Swift that makes them a "phone feature". Same for memory compression (which only exists on the Mac IIRC) and continuity (which would be useful even if it only worked from Mac to Mac). If anything Apple has adamantly refused to "force phone features into a desktop", and only ports stuff that makes sense -- that's sort of what Microsoft did, trying to merge e.g. tablet and desktop platforms in the same UI. >We were just fine without an app store. Just fine. Well, I'm much much better WITH an app store. Why wouldn't I want one? I might want some more features out of the Mac App Store (like the ability to demo an app) but I very much want to have it. And in no way is an app store a "mobile feature". App stores, (and app repos) existed way before they appeared on mobile phones, for one.

RileyKyeden 10y ago
> Same for memory compression (which only exists on the Mac IIRC) and continuity (which would be useful even if it only worked from Mac to Mac). Windows 10 has memory compression.
- coldtea 10y ago
  "On the Mac" as opposed to "also on iOS".
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- felipelemos 10y ago
  And Linux too since Dec 2012.
  - domenukk 10y ago
    And of course, Android (Cyanogenmod had it in 2010 or so)
  - majewsky 10y ago
    Huh? Is that enabled automatically, or do I need to flip a switch?

michaelmrose 10y ago

If the mac allowed the "store" to have more than one source, allowed usage via cli and gui and didn't require a 30% cut most of your software would probably come from the store and it would be a good thing.

joombaga 10y ago
They'd have to remove the account requirement too. Just `appstore install foo`.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Maybe the could just offer a way to download the apps via the internet, and then open some kind of image container and move a file to the Applications folder.
  - michaelmrose 10y ago
    This is inherently inferior as you are requiring the user to make the distinction between safe and unsafe software each and every time they install software something users are notoriously bad at. Additionally it makes it hard for 2 apps to specify libraries required meaning each must include whatever they require AND either updates are manual, read nonexistent, or each app includes its own nagging update mechanism.
- michaelmrose 10y ago
  An account could be required for installation of non free software while still allowing installation of free software without it.

threeseed 10y ago

> We were just fine without an app store You were just fine. Don't speak for everyone. Finding applications on the internet is a dangerous endeavour if you are inexperienced. Many people get tricked by popups suggesting their computer is broken and they need to download a "cleaner app". Many people get tricked by the fake Download buttons. Many people just use whatever the first link on Google. And then once they are tricked they then proliferate their passwords, email addresses, credit cards etc all over the internet. App Stores IMHO are a must have for most people.

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