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Agreed on Apple dropping the ball. But Windows 10, while certainly better than modern OS X or Windows 8 does not have the stability or adherence to well-tested

Agreed on Apple dropping the ball. But Windows 10, while certainly better than modern OS X or Windows 8 does not have the stability or adherence to well-tested design that Windows 7 had. W10 has seen serious quality assurance issues[1], partly as a result of Microsoft cutting large amounts of QA testers as it switched development methodologies. This has lead to an immense number of mistakes, bugs, and unhandled cases seeping all throughout Windows 10. At its core, W10 is still a great OS, but the lack of proper testing (and its massive, scary levels of privacy invasion) is something to be aware of. [1] http://www.computerworld.com/article/2859902/at-microsoft-quality-seems-to-be-job-none.html#linkedin http://www.computerworld.com/article/2859902/at-microsoft-qu...

addicted 10y ago
That's from 2014. Have things changed since then?
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  I don't have hard evidence either way, but I'd argue no. Ars' recent article on the bizarreness of the upcoming Creators' Update is one example.[1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/forthcoming-windows-insider-build-low-on-features-high-on-fixes/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/forth...
  - bobsam 10y ago
    Creators update is not even released, what are you talking about??
    - ivraatiems 10y ago
      ...did you read the article? I'm not gonna summarize it for you, but typically, even insider builds have not been this buggy.
      - bobsam 10y ago
        The article is about insider builds, i.e. alpha and beta releases. They are supposed to be buggy as hell!
Cowicide 10y ago
What makes Windows 10 better than macOS Sierra, in your opinion? I use both every day for similar projects and find that Windows 10 is lacking compared to Sierra overall.
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  Despite my bellyaching, Windows is built on much more solid ground than macOS is these days. All the new stuff introduced in 8/10 - Metro stuff, control panel stuff, etc. - can be wacky, but the core OS is strong. It works, it doesn't crash, it acts the way you expect it to. That's all I really want from a desktop OS, and given that Apple has total control over their ecosystem, they are frighteningly bad at providing it. What areas do you find W10 to be lacking in?
  - edko 10y ago
    I have switched from Mac to Windows a few months ago. My biggest annoyance is privacy. I do not feel my data is safe while using Windows. I had to switch off too many defaults (keylogging, for example!), and I really do not know if I missed any, or if some update has sneaked in any new way for MS to spy on me.
    - ivraatiems 10y ago
      I totally understand. Even with the bugginess, it's my single biggest issue with W10.
  - klurriplurrr 10y ago
    I find W10 lacking in consistency. Poke around in the settings for a while and you will find remnants from the NT days. The dark theme is another example, it works for a handful of their own apps, not even half of them. Half baked and unpolished. I'm a daily W10, macOS sierra and Fedora Linux user. I develop on all the OS:es and play games mostly on W10.
    - ivraatiems 10y ago
edko 10y ago
I do not agree that Windows is better than OS X. In my own personal opinion, I feel strongly it is the other way around. However, that is only a personal opinion. The Windows alternative clearly wins when it comes to hardware: you can choose the components you want, at competitive prices, and you can update them whenever you want. Also, Apple hardware's aesthetic advantage is not as big as it used to be. Many manufacturers can create thin pretty laptops now.

addicted 10y ago

That's from 2014. Have things changed since then?

ivraatiems 10y ago
I don't have hard evidence either way, but I'd argue no. Ars' recent article on the bizarreness of the upcoming Creators' Update is one example.[1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/forthcoming-windows-insider-build-low-on-features-high-on-fixes/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/forth...
- bobsam 10y ago
  Creators update is not even released, what are you talking about??
  - ivraatiems 10y ago
    ...did you read the article? I'm not gonna summarize it for you, but typically, even insider builds have not been this buggy.
    - bobsam 10y ago
      The article is about insider builds, i.e. alpha and beta releases. They are supposed to be buggy as hell!

Cowicide 10y ago

What makes Windows 10 better than macOS Sierra, in your opinion? I use both every day for similar projects and find that Windows 10 is lacking compared to Sierra overall.

ivraatiems 10y ago
Despite my bellyaching, Windows is built on much more solid ground than macOS is these days. All the new stuff introduced in 8/10 - Metro stuff, control panel stuff, etc. - can be wacky, but the core OS is strong. It works, it doesn't crash, it acts the way you expect it to. That's all I really want from a desktop OS, and given that Apple has total control over their ecosystem, they are frighteningly bad at providing it. What areas do you find W10 to be lacking in?
- edko 10y ago
  I have switched from Mac to Windows a few months ago. My biggest annoyance is privacy. I do not feel my data is safe while using Windows. I had to switch off too many defaults (keylogging, for example!), and I really do not know if I missed any, or if some update has sneaked in any new way for MS to spy on me.
  - ivraatiems 10y ago
    I totally understand. Even with the bugginess, it's my single biggest issue with W10.
- klurriplurrr 10y ago
  I find W10 lacking in consistency. Poke around in the settings for a while and you will find remnants from the NT days. The dark theme is another example, it works for a handful of their own apps, not even half of them. Half baked and unpolished. I'm a daily W10, macOS sierra and Fedora Linux user. I develop on all the OS:es and play games mostly on W10.
  - ivraatiems 10y ago

edko 10y ago

I do not agree that Windows is better than OS X. In my own personal opinion, I feel strongly it is the other way around. However, that is only a personal opinion. The Windows alternative clearly wins when it comes to hardware: you can choose the components you want, at competitive prices, and you can update them whenever you want. Also, Apple hardware's aesthetic advantage is not as big as it used to be. Many manufacturers can create thin pretty laptops now.