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I grew up in a small town with some people like this and I think what you are observing is actually a hindsight view of the situation. The vast majority of the

by xt00 10y ago

I grew up in a small town with some people like this and I think what you are observing is actually a hindsight view of the situation. The vast majority of the people were unable to get a job for some reason and then moved back home to ya know avoid starving. Then on your second point many of these people did not start out with a bad attitude but end up feeling like they constantly are struggling due to others treating them badly in jobs -- often due to a lack of skills or education. Then finally many of these people become depressed about their life situation and end up taking drugs to avoid dealing with how their life is not going in a good direction. So while the things you mention can likely be true, the behaviors you are talking about are very much related to people having difficulties in their 20s finding jobs and potentially getting laid off or fired and then struggling to get a new job. Basically my thought is that many of these people need some place that will really "help" them. Meaning that they need a type of job that will give them a good chance and allow them to make mistakes. Then help them get off drugs or other things that are hindering them. I really like Germany's trade school concept. There are tons of people who could do those jobs well and if you give them a shot to do that at a young age you give them a marketable skill. Some people just honestly don't do well in a super academic environment. I think the government would be very smart to say lets make it practically free to have people in various areas hard hit to do some trade skills programs. We as a society benefit if there are more plumbers and welders and carpenters.

yowlingcat 10y ago
I keep wondering about this. It's so obvious that trade schools are a good thing. I have nothing against code academies, but where is the similar kind of shiny kind of get people employed for the sake of society and do social good" for trade schools? Combine that with an income based repayment for tuition and you're cooking with gas.
- xt00 10y ago
  Yea seriously, coding schools are not gonna happen for many people with not the best education.. I mean I know tons of smart people who don't want to write code even though they could do it. So the trade school thing can be economically explained very simply: Current situation in 2017: I pay a plumber to fix my pipes $800 for 2 hours of work. Ouch. 1000 other people in my area pay that same amount. $800,000 USD has been transferred from many different people rich or poor to the plumbers. Future, where we have more plumbers competing for the same job: Job costs $400. 1000 people pay only $400k to get the job done. So the people in that area have $400k more in their pockets to spend on other things. The now greater number of plumbers all make less money than the small number of plumbers that existed before. However, you have maybe 50 plumbers in an area instead of 25. So you have more people who are working a job that keeps them alive and busy and happy and far less likely to be doing drugs and likely they will have kids and get married. So basically the concept of asking a community to cover the cost of paying for trade schools for more people is I think extremely smart to do. And the people who get cheap education to do these trades generally are going to feel pretty happy about that as well -- like "hey people in my area care about people doing these jobs..., so I'm a valuable person in my community.."

by xt00 10y ago

yowlingcat 10y ago

I keep wondering about this. It's so obvious that trade schools are a good thing. I have nothing against code academies, but where is the similar kind of shiny kind of get people employed for the sake of society and do social good" for trade schools? Combine that with an income based repayment for tuition and you're cooking with gas.

xt00 10y ago
Yea seriously, coding schools are not gonna happen for many people with not the best education.. I mean I know tons of smart people who don't want to write code even though they could do it. So the trade school thing can be economically explained very simply: Current situation in 2017: I pay a plumber to fix my pipes $800 for 2 hours of work. Ouch. 1000 other people in my area pay that same amount. $800,000 USD has been transferred from many different people rich or poor to the plumbers. Future, where we have more plumbers competing for the same job: Job costs $400. 1000 people pay only $400k to get the job done. So the people in that area have $400k more in their pockets to spend on other things. The now greater number of plumbers all make less money than the small number of plumbers that existed before. However, you have maybe 50 plumbers in an area instead of 25. So you have more people who are working a job that keeps them alive and busy and happy and far less likely to be doing drugs and likely they will have kids and get married. So basically the concept of asking a community to cover the cost of paying for trade schools for more people is I think extremely smart to do. And the people who get cheap education to do these trades generally are going to feel pretty happy about that as well -- like "hey people in my area care about people doing these jobs..., so I'm a valuable person in my community.."