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No, because this ignores the cause & effect reality of nature. If people are turning to drug-based stimuli for the purpose of numbing and unfulfilled life of 1)

No, because this ignores the cause & effect reality of nature. If people are turning to drug-based stimuli for the purpose of numbing and unfulfilled life of 1) no sexual partners 2) few job prospects, then we should not act as if the drugs are the first-tier causes of their predicament... Anyone who has seen the upper echelons of society knows how many drugs are used up there too - and therefore knows that they are not first tier-causes (of being on the bottom) in every use case.

mirimir 10y ago
For the rich, there are challenges of ennui and expectations. And that drives “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”. Maybe it's not so unrelated.
- pokemongoaway 10y ago
  I thought those sayings came from the idea that we get lazy when we have a lot... I've never heard that the proposed cause is drug use - any sources on that?
  - mirimir 10y ago
    There may be published studies, but I haven't looked. But consider the Beats. Most of them were trust-fund kids. Or the people who hung around Warhole. Or the early college hippies, protected against arrest by institutional influence. Or what they used to call the jet set. Drug use is common among wealthy kids because they're so well protected from consequences. All children like to experiment, and have fun. So why not? I knew a guy who burned through his inheritance, and then became a heroin smuggler. He used his friends as unwitting drug mules, and kept living the high life on the profits. But then one of them got busted, and sold him out. Oops.
mcguire 10y ago
In this article, chemical abuse seems to be an effect of economic disadvantages.
- pokemongoaway 10y ago
  Yes, it is downstream - and in a different way than women's decreased desire for them is.
golergka 10y ago
But everything in the universe is caused by something else. Why go through to original causes in some cases and not in others?
- pokemongoaway 10y ago
  I didn't make an argument to not look at root causes for anything. If your argument is that I'm being inconsistent, then you're wrong. Is your argument: "it isn't worth it to discuss causes in this case?"

mirimir 10y ago

For the rich, there are challenges of ennui and expectations. And that drives “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”. Maybe it's not so unrelated.

pokemongoaway 10y ago
I thought those sayings came from the idea that we get lazy when we have a lot... I've never heard that the proposed cause is drug use - any sources on that?
- mirimir 10y ago
  There may be published studies, but I haven't looked. But consider the Beats. Most of them were trust-fund kids. Or the people who hung around Warhole. Or the early college hippies, protected against arrest by institutional influence. Or what they used to call the jet set. Drug use is common among wealthy kids because they're so well protected from consequences. All children like to experiment, and have fun. So why not? I knew a guy who burned through his inheritance, and then became a heroin smuggler. He used his friends as unwitting drug mules, and kept living the high life on the profits. But then one of them got busted, and sold him out. Oops.

mcguire 10y ago

In this article, chemical abuse seems to be an effect of economic disadvantages.

pokemongoaway 10y ago
Yes, it is downstream - and in a different way than women's decreased desire for them is.

golergka 10y ago

But everything in the universe is caused by something else. Why go through to original causes in some cases and not in others?

pokemongoaway 10y ago
I didn't make an argument to not look at root causes for anything. If your argument is that I'm being inconsistent, then you're wrong. Is your argument: "it isn't worth it to discuss causes in this case?"