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The Dutch rule is basically, that the driver is liable if an accident happens, even if it's the cyclist's fault (unless you can prove that the cyclist deliberat

by phicoh 10y ago

The Dutch rule is basically, that the driver is liable if an accident happens, even if it's the cyclist's fault (unless you can prove that the cyclist deliberately caused the accident). So there are not a lot of rules on what you should do. And this kind of passing is required often enough on narrow streets, that usually cars don't swerve if there is more space. So that means that those self driving cars have to have a per country profile on how to behave. So if you have to do that for every country in the EU then that will make developing self-driving cars quite a bit more expensive than the current system where you have a common market.

Zak 10y ago
Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. As far as traffic regulations specifying behavior go, yes, they differ from country to country and self-driving cars do need to be able to follow them. That doesn't necessarily mean the cars need to learn to follow a bunch of weird rules; it may be more of a lobbying problem. "Standardize your rules so we can offer self-driving cars that are X times safer than human drivers in your country" isn't a terribly hard sell.
- gens 10y ago
  >Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. I would love to watch a show called "Driverless cars in India".
  - na85 10y ago
    The Russia edition of that show would be quite entertaining as well.
- phicoh 10y ago
  That depends. The goal of local drivers is to go from A to B in reasonable time. If extreme risk deduction interferes that, people will revolt. Some of the rules in some countries regarding overtaking cyclists would create a complete mess in the Netherlands. Of course, in theory you could have one set of rules self driving cars and another for human drivers. I'm very curious if you can have a significant percentage of self driving cars in a city center without causing complete gridlock. My guess is that once cyclists and pedestrian realize how careful self driving cars are, they will just take priority and bring all car traffic to a halt.
- hodgesrm 10y ago
  > Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. In this specific case the issue was that the car didn't handle what seems like an unremarkable case where the bicycle was moving normally. That said, driverless technology that can't handle special cases like bicycles doing something unexpected is not ready for prime time. After reading Ghosn's comments it makes me wonder how he would feel about a kid running out into the street after a ball.
Shivetya 10y ago
well self driving cars will likely be mandated to carry the equivalent of dash cams if not black boxes which record everything over a hopefully short cycle (like last 15 minutes surrounding an incident with space to save a few)

by phicoh 10y ago

Zak 10y ago

Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. As far as traffic regulations specifying behavior go, yes, they differ from country to country and self-driving cars do need to be able to follow them. That doesn't necessarily mean the cars need to learn to follow a bunch of weird rules; it may be more of a lobbying problem. "Standardize your rules so we can offer self-driving cars that are X times safer than human drivers in your country" isn't a terribly hard sell.

gens 10y ago
>Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. I would love to watch a show called "Driverless cars in India".
- na85 10y ago
  The Russia edition of that show would be quite entertaining as well.
phicoh 10y ago
That depends. The goal of local drivers is to go from A to B in reasonable time. If extreme risk deduction interferes that, people will revolt. Some of the rules in some countries regarding overtaking cyclists would create a complete mess in the Netherlands. Of course, in theory you could have one set of rules self driving cars and another for human drivers. I'm very curious if you can have a significant percentage of self driving cars in a city center without causing complete gridlock. My guess is that once cyclists and pedestrian realize how careful self driving cars are, they will just take priority and bring all car traffic to a halt.
hodgesrm 10y ago
> Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. In this specific case the issue was that the car didn't handle what seems like an unremarkable case where the bicycle was moving normally. That said, driverless technology that can't handle special cases like bicycles doing something unexpected is not ready for prime time. After reading Ghosn's comments it makes me wonder how he would feel about a kid running out into the street after a ball.

Shivetya 10y ago

well self driving cars will likely be mandated to carry the equivalent of dash cams if not black boxes which record everything over a hopefully short cycle (like last 15 minutes surrounding an incident with space to save a few)