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Amazing how Nissan have managed to get their car to emulate 99% of London drivers.

mtgx 10y ago
That's really one of the big problems with having AI in general learning from us, isn't it? That it would learn all of our flaws and biases as well.
- cronjobber 10y ago
  That would be an almost benign problem to have. The real real big problem is that AI will learn to exploit all our flaws and biases. AI will evolve to be supernaturally intelligent and supernaturally psychopathic at the same time.
dogma1138 10y ago
Like London cyclists are any better they are much worse than cars.
- stuaxo 10y ago
  The consequences are far worse for the cyclist if they actually collide though.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Tell that to the pedestrians cyclists constantly hit. Red light isn't a suggestion, the side walk isn't s bike lane and the cross walk isn't there for you to make a u turn.
    - m0nty 10y ago
      > constantly hit Do you have any references for this?
- leoc 10y ago
  I took a Boris bike through London once and the cyclists were definitely the scariest things on the road for me. (There was a very nice red bus driver though.)
phicoh 10y ago
The Dutch rule is basically, that the driver is liable if an accident happens, even if it's the cyclist's fault (unless you can prove that the cyclist deliberately caused the accident). So there are not a lot of rules on what you should do. And this kind of passing is required often enough on narrow streets, that usually cars don't swerve if there is more space. So that means that those self driving cars have to have a per country profile on how to behave. So if you have to do that for every country in the EU then that will make developing self-driving cars quite a bit more expensive than the current system where you have a common market.
- Zak 10y ago
  Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. As far as traffic regulations specifying behavior go, yes, they differ from country to country and self-driving cars do need to be able to follow them. That doesn't necessarily mean the cars need to learn to follow a bunch of weird rules; it may be more of a lobbying problem. "Standardize your rules so we can offer self-driving cars that are X times safer than human drivers in your country" isn't a terribly hard sell.
  - gens 10y ago
    >Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. I would love to watch a show called "Driverless cars in India".
    - na85 10y ago
      The Russia edition of that show would be quite entertaining as well.
  - phicoh 10y ago
    That depends. The goal of local drivers is to go from A to B in reasonable time. If extreme risk deduction interferes that, people will revolt. Some of the rules in some countries regarding overtaking cyclists would create a complete mess in the Netherlands. Of course, in theory you could have one set of rules self driving cars and another for human drivers. I'm very curious if you can have a significant percentage of self driving cars in a city center without causing complete gridlock. My guess is that once cyclists and pedestrian realize how careful self driving cars are, they will just take priority and bring all car traffic to a halt.

mtgx 10y ago

That's really one of the big problems with having AI in general learning from us, isn't it? That it would learn all of our flaws and biases as well.

cronjobber 10y ago
That would be an almost benign problem to have. The real real big problem is that AI will learn to exploit all our flaws and biases. AI will evolve to be supernaturally intelligent and supernaturally psychopathic at the same time.

dogma1138 10y ago

Like London cyclists are any better they are much worse than cars.

stuaxo 10y ago
The consequences are far worse for the cyclist if they actually collide though.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Tell that to the pedestrians cyclists constantly hit. Red light isn't a suggestion, the side walk isn't s bike lane and the cross walk isn't there for you to make a u turn.
  - m0nty 10y ago
    > constantly hit Do you have any references for this?
leoc 10y ago
I took a Boris bike through London once and the cyclists were definitely the scariest things on the road for me. (There was a very nice red bus driver though.)

phicoh 10y ago

The Dutch rule is basically, that the driver is liable if an accident happens, even if it's the cyclist's fault (unless you can prove that the cyclist deliberately caused the accident). So there are not a lot of rules on what you should do. And this kind of passing is required often enough on narrow streets, that usually cars don't swerve if there is more space. So that means that those self driving cars have to have a per country profile on how to behave. So if you have to do that for every country in the EU then that will make developing self-driving cars quite a bit more expensive than the current system where you have a common market.

Zak 10y ago
Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. As far as traffic regulations specifying behavior go, yes, they differ from country to country and self-driving cars do need to be able to follow them. That doesn't necessarily mean the cars need to learn to follow a bunch of weird rules; it may be more of a lobbying problem. "Standardize your rules so we can offer self-driving cars that are X times safer than human drivers in your country" isn't a terribly hard sell.
- gens 10y ago
  >Self-driving cars should try to avoid collisions regardless of fault and should not adjust that behavior based on who the local liability laws will hold responsible. I would love to watch a show called "Driverless cars in India".
  - na85 10y ago
    The Russia edition of that show would be quite entertaining as well.
- phicoh 10y ago
  That depends. The goal of local drivers is to go from A to B in reasonable time. If extreme risk deduction interferes that, people will revolt. Some of the rules in some countries regarding overtaking cyclists would create a complete mess in the Netherlands. Of course, in theory you could have one set of rules self driving cars and another for human drivers. I'm very curious if you can have a significant percentage of self driving cars in a city center without causing complete gridlock. My guess is that once cyclists and pedestrian realize how careful self driving cars are, they will just take priority and bring all car traffic to a halt.