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Which person who was "supposed" to win the election didn't win the election? The person who was supposed to win did win. There was only one person with the mos

Which person who was "supposed" to win the election didn't win the election? The person who was supposed to win did win. There was only one person with the most Electoral College votes...

MichaelBurge 10y ago
If you suppose that X is true, that doesn't mean that X is true or even that you're claiming X is true, just that you've supposed it's true.
divbit 10y ago
I think one can have this attitude with a lot of things. The job which you were supposed to get is the one you got, etc. It must then be that 'supposed to' doesn't really have any meaning, or the opposite, that things are going according to whatever grand plan there exists for us. Who knows.
narrator 10y ago
There are a set of inputs that go into the voters mind that produce a certain output: the voting decision. The technology inputs to produce the correct candidate choice has been somehow thwarted by a bug in the system. The bug has been identified as fake news. To restore the proper functioning of the system the bug has to be fixed by implementing AI systems, overseen by properly vetted quality control personnel, in order to detect and remove fake news. The quality control personnel should be properly vetted to make sure that they are not under the influence of fake news which may cause errors in voting behavior to leak through. You see, people having an incorrect voting decision is evidence that there is a bug in the system that feeds them information. That, or there is a fundamental flaw in their cognitive systems which is why they have been called "deplorables". /end of the movie evil guy speech
- wernercd 10y ago
  Incorrect opinion? Who gets to decide the incorrect opinion? The side that thinks Trump is a racist/xenophobe/terrorist? Or the side that thinks Hillary Benghazi/Emails/Charity? Or the side that thinks Bernie Venezuela/Socialist/etc? Or the side that think Stein ... Or the side that think Johnson... or... or... What makes a Trump Supporters opinion wrong and a Clinton supporters opinion right? Or Bern? Stein? Johnson? We should absolutely work on getting rid of "Fake" news... but what is fake news? What is true news that is obviously biased (CNN/Fox/etc)? What is satire (Onion)? Who is producing "Non" fake news? CNN? Fox? CBS? NBC? Politico? I can look at news stories on all of the above and see "True" information spun to make one side look good and the other bad... I love how people think their opinion is OBVIOUSLY right... their opponents opinion is OBVIOUSLY wrong and anyone who doesn't agree with them is a Terrorist/Xenophobe/Islamaphobe/Racist/etc'ad'naseum.
  - aurelianito 10y ago
    As seen by a foreigner, me, it is quite clear that the status quo and the powers that be had chosen Hillary Clinton as the next US president. But Trump won, so the system has to be corrected so similar things do not happen again in the future. It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong.
    - ntelson1s 10y ago
      Only if the status quo you are referring to is the political, which was the same as TPTB, and not the social. This country did not want more of the old administration and took option B.
      - aurelianito 10y ago
        I am distinguishing the TPTB from the masses. The TPTB failed and Trump was chosen. Now they need to ensure that a similar thing does not happen again in the future. And the TPTB exceed the political leaders. I mean the ones that really run the country.
- empressplay 10y ago
  Did you just seriously say "people didn't vote right?" headdesk
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jfoutz 10y ago
The person who won made repeated claims the system was rigged. I can't say if the correct person won. I can say it's clear to the winner there is a public system for show, and a secret system for actually selecting the president.
- wernercd 10y ago
  And the other side said the system was fair. We can trust the results. Anyone who challenges the results is a threat to Democracy. BEFORE the election everyone was confident and trusting of the election. It wasn't until AFTER the Election that we all of a sudden started to care about Russia "hacking" the election. I mean... which is it? it's fair and trustworthy if you win but it's not trustworthy and fair if you lose? Honestly though... if there is a secret system for "actually" selecting the President... do you think those secret puppet masters would choose Trump?
  - jfoutz 10y ago
    I don't believe there is a secret system. Our president does. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/749709462974435329?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/74970946297443532... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787995025527410688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/78799502552741068... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787699930718695425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/78769993071869542... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787618207444131840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/78761820744413184... There are a bunch more.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    It were in the news all fall: https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking October 11: Obama Considers ‘Proportional’ Response to Russian Hacking in U.S. Election https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/obama-russia-hack-election.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/obama-russia-... There's also little to no mainstream doubt about the outcome of the vote (of course the President has raised concerns that the vote was not accurate, but most responses to that, for example from Secretaries of State, have tried to emphasize that there is no evidence of major issues with the election). The controversy is all about how Russia may have acted to influence voters.
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Which person who was "supposed" to win the election didn't win the election? The person who was supposed to win did win. There was only one person with the most Electoral College votes...

MichaelBurge 10y ago

If you suppose that X is true, that doesn't mean that X is true or even that you're claiming X is true, just that you've supposed it's true.

divbit 10y ago

I think one can have this attitude with a lot of things. The job which you were supposed to get is the one you got, etc. It must then be that 'supposed to' doesn't really have any meaning, or the opposite, that things are going according to whatever grand plan there exists for us. Who knows.

narrator 10y ago

There are a set of inputs that go into the voters mind that produce a certain output: the voting decision. The technology inputs to produce the correct candidate choice has been somehow thwarted by a bug in the system. The bug has been identified as fake news. To restore the proper functioning of the system the bug has to be fixed by implementing AI systems, overseen by properly vetted quality control personnel, in order to detect and remove fake news. The quality control personnel should be properly vetted to make sure that they are not under the influence of fake news which may cause errors in voting behavior to leak through. You see, people having an incorrect voting decision is evidence that there is a bug in the system that feeds them information. That, or there is a fundamental flaw in their cognitive systems which is why they have been called "deplorables". /end of the movie evil guy speech

wernercd 10y ago
Incorrect opinion? Who gets to decide the incorrect opinion? The side that thinks Trump is a racist/xenophobe/terrorist? Or the side that thinks Hillary Benghazi/Emails/Charity? Or the side that thinks Bernie Venezuela/Socialist/etc? Or the side that think Stein ... Or the side that think Johnson... or... or... What makes a Trump Supporters opinion wrong and a Clinton supporters opinion right? Or Bern? Stein? Johnson? We should absolutely work on getting rid of "Fake" news... but what is fake news? What is true news that is obviously biased (CNN/Fox/etc)? What is satire (Onion)? Who is producing "Non" fake news? CNN? Fox? CBS? NBC? Politico? I can look at news stories on all of the above and see "True" information spun to make one side look good and the other bad... I love how people think their opinion is OBVIOUSLY right... their opponents opinion is OBVIOUSLY wrong and anyone who doesn't agree with them is a Terrorist/Xenophobe/Islamaphobe/Racist/etc'ad'naseum.
- aurelianito 10y ago
  As seen by a foreigner, me, it is quite clear that the status quo and the powers that be had chosen Hillary Clinton as the next US president. But Trump won, so the system has to be corrected so similar things do not happen again in the future. It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong.
  - ntelson1s 10y ago
    Only if the status quo you are referring to is the political, which was the same as TPTB, and not the social. This country did not want more of the old administration and took option B.
    - aurelianito 10y ago
      I am distinguishing the TPTB from the masses. The TPTB failed and Trump was chosen. Now they need to ensure that a similar thing does not happen again in the future. And the TPTB exceed the political leaders. I mean the ones that really run the country.
empressplay 10y ago
Did you just seriously say "people didn't vote right?" headdesk
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jfoutz 10y ago

The person who won made repeated claims the system was rigged. I can't say if the correct person won. I can say it's clear to the winner there is a public system for show, and a secret system for actually selecting the president.

wernercd 10y ago
And the other side said the system was fair. We can trust the results. Anyone who challenges the results is a threat to Democracy. BEFORE the election everyone was confident and trusting of the election. It wasn't until AFTER the Election that we all of a sudden started to care about Russia "hacking" the election. I mean... which is it? it's fair and trustworthy if you win but it's not trustworthy and fair if you lose? Honestly though... if there is a secret system for "actually" selecting the President... do you think those secret puppet masters would choose Trump?
- jfoutz 10y ago
  I don't believe there is a secret system. Our president does. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/749709462974435329?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/74970946297443532... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787995025527410688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/78799502552741068... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787699930718695425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/78769993071869542... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787618207444131840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/78761820744413184... There are a bunch more.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  It were in the news all fall: https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking October 11: Obama Considers ‘Proportional’ Response to Russian Hacking in U.S. Election https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/obama-russia-hack-election.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/obama-russia-... There's also little to no mainstream doubt about the outcome of the vote (of course the President has raised concerns that the vote was not accurate, but most responses to that, for example from Secretaries of State, have tried to emphasize that there is no evidence of major issues with the election). The controversy is all about how Russia may have acted to influence voters.

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