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> Your example of Khrushchev might have worked out differently with blowhards on both sides. Which there were (on the US side, some in the admin wanted to bomb

by DaUR 10y ago

> Your example of Khrushchev might have worked out differently with blowhards on both sides. Which there were (on the US side, some in the admin wanted to bomb Cuba to shreds), but were overridden. Because leaders have skin in the game in a way advisors don't. It's something to call for total destruction as an advisor, and another thing to be the man in charge, where the decision, responsibility, and blame all lie on you. Human psychology saves the day.

tyingq 10y ago
Your position is basically that poor diplomacy never has consequences.
- DaUR 10y ago
  I'm arguing that this isn't "bad diplomacy", and only is if you judge it by its appearances. Geopolitics is driven by constraints. Nobody will declare war against Trump because his tie is too long.
  - tyingq 10y ago
    You're equating the power of speech and communication with a tie being too long. Speech can, and does, incite action, not always the intended action either.
    - DaUR 10y ago
      > Speech can, and does, incite action Action is the sole responsibility of the one committing the action. I don't buy the premises of the fascist "speech is violence" crowd, and thank God that world leaders are not as immature as them.
    - 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
      This is true, but deceptively and disproportionately so. It basically doesn't, with a single deceptively skewed 'demographically' constrained exception. I'll give you an example without labeling the entire group, and rather point out one of the 'louder' factions: SJW's putting vaginas on their heads while running around like freshly neutered pepper-sprayed autistic goats. When the news you watch, tells you how terrible it is that Kellyanne Conway put her feet on the couch, or that Donald Trump puts ketchup on his steak, and Trump voters are ripping the Hijab's from the faces of Muslim women everywhere, and that people need to take action to stop it before the "Nazis" do something worse, people like you tend to adopt beliefs like the one I'm responding to. Edit:The handful of muslim women who told their stories, all came forward admitting they made it up. Same as all the women who were 'raped' by Trump. There is a reason something close to 80% of people know CNN and the NYT are not trustworthy in the slightest. Better yet, at the same time, those same publications are claiming they are the ones taking action to stop the 'fake news,' meanwhile, NYT and Wash. Post recently and still currently are receiving 50% of their viewership from Chinese IPs, a jump from 1-2% since 2009, which is when China banned access to the NYT, where oddly, it's still nationally inaccessible today. (hint: they keep spewing bs, including that their viewership isn't totally tanked, while fudging their numbers....)

by DaUR 10y ago

tyingq 10y ago

Your position is basically that poor diplomacy never has consequences.

DaUR 10y ago
I'm arguing that this isn't "bad diplomacy", and only is if you judge it by its appearances. Geopolitics is driven by constraints. Nobody will declare war against Trump because his tie is too long.
- tyingq 10y ago
  You're equating the power of speech and communication with a tie being too long. Speech can, and does, incite action, not always the intended action either.
  - DaUR 10y ago
    > Speech can, and does, incite action Action is the sole responsibility of the one committing the action. I don't buy the premises of the fascist "speech is violence" crowd, and thank God that world leaders are not as immature as them.
  - 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
    This is true, but deceptively and disproportionately so. It basically doesn't, with a single deceptively skewed 'demographically' constrained exception. I'll give you an example without labeling the entire group, and rather point out one of the 'louder' factions: SJW's putting vaginas on their heads while running around like freshly neutered pepper-sprayed autistic goats. When the news you watch, tells you how terrible it is that Kellyanne Conway put her feet on the couch, or that Donald Trump puts ketchup on his steak, and Trump voters are ripping the Hijab's from the faces of Muslim women everywhere, and that people need to take action to stop it before the "Nazis" do something worse, people like you tend to adopt beliefs like the one I'm responding to. Edit:The handful of muslim women who told their stories, all came forward admitting they made it up. Same as all the women who were 'raped' by Trump. There is a reason something close to 80% of people know CNN and the NYT are not trustworthy in the slightest. Better yet, at the same time, those same publications are claiming they are the ones taking action to stop the 'fake news,' meanwhile, NYT and Wash. Post recently and still currently are receiving 50% of their viewership from Chinese IPs, a jump from 1-2% since 2009, which is when China banned access to the NYT, where oddly, it's still nationally inaccessible today. (hint: they keep spewing bs, including that their viewership isn't totally tanked, while fudging their numbers....)