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but non-city areas are cultural wastelands. theyve been hollowed out. does it really have to be the case that nice cities by the sea can only be the playground

by dilap 10y ago

but non-city areas are cultural wastelands. theyve been hollowed out. does it really have to be the case that nice cities by the sea can only be the playground of the elite and the workaholic childless?

knz 10y ago
Many mid size urban areas (often away from the coasts) are having a small renaissance and have a thriving local culture. Rural areas aren't a cultural wasteland either. Urbanization had been a consistent pattern for centuries now - decreasing economic opportunity isn't anything new to rural areas.
- dilap 10y ago
  for sure i exaggerate. but still: look at hemingway, for example. he could work and live in new orleans, easily, with plenty of time left over to write. can you do that anymore? i dont think so. we've lost something.
  - ghaff 10y ago
    New Orleans isn't the best example. Costs have gone back up somewhat post-Katrina but 1BR rents are still close to $1K/month depending on location. New Orleans isn't a particularly expensive city, especially outside a few premium uptown locations.
    - dilap 10y ago
      $1K a month is still essentially 100% of your income at minimum wage. But yeah, it's not as crazy as SF for sure.
ghaff 10y ago
>non-city areas are cultural wastelands That's quite the broad brush. Most desirable locations are pretty much by definition going to be expensive to live in. Well, some people like the sunbelt and it's less pricey than the coastal cities that people like. In any case, cities create their own culture. There's nothing unique to a handful of coastal areas that are in vogue with the tech crowd.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>does it really have to be the case that nice cities by the sea can only be the playground of the elite and the workaholic childless? Well, if those nice cities refuse to build enough housing for everyone, even though they have the land-area... yes.

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but non-city areas are cultural wastelands. theyve been hollowed out. does it really have to be the case that nice cities by the sea can only be the playground

by dilap 10y ago

knz 10y ago
Many mid size urban areas (often away from the coasts) are having a small renaissance and have a thriving local culture. Rural areas aren't a cultural wasteland either. Urbanization had been a consistent pattern for centuries now - decreasing economic opportunity isn't anything new to rural areas.
- dilap 10y ago
  for sure i exaggerate. but still: look at hemingway, for example. he could work and live in new orleans, easily, with plenty of time left over to write. can you do that anymore? i dont think so. we've lost something.
  - ghaff 10y ago
    New Orleans isn't the best example. Costs have gone back up somewhat post-Katrina but 1BR rents are still close to $1K/month depending on location. New Orleans isn't a particularly expensive city, especially outside a few premium uptown locations.
    - dilap 10y ago
      $1K a month is still essentially 100% of your income at minimum wage. But yeah, it's not as crazy as SF for sure.
ghaff 10y ago
>non-city areas are cultural wastelands That's quite the broad brush. Most desirable locations are pretty much by definition going to be expensive to live in. Well, some people like the sunbelt and it's less pricey than the coastal cities that people like. In any case, cities create their own culture. There's nothing unique to a handful of coastal areas that are in vogue with the tech crowd.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>does it really have to be the case that nice cities by the sea can only be the playground of the elite and the workaholic childless? Well, if those nice cities refuse to build enough housing for everyone, even though they have the land-area... yes.