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I might need a job badly but I find it difficult to show that I need it badly. It just seems too much drama for me. I just hate these interviews - they are so m

I might need a job badly but I find it difficult to show that I need it badly. It just seems too much drama for me. I just hate these interviews - they are so much about pretending to so much better than you really are, etc etc... But I really don't have a solution to propose either. I just wish interviewers start registering in for different kinds of personalities.

dahart 10y ago
> I might need a job badly but I find it difficult to show that I need it badly. Okay, so there's a very fine line here. You don't want to show that you need it badly. You want to show that you want it badly. Need it badly would imply that the reason you're there is for the cash, and you don't care about the company you're applying for or the job you're going to do for them. Want it badly might likely imply that you're dying to do the job you're applying for, and you're dying to work for this particular company. A candidate who just needs a job and spends time communicating that they need a job badly is going to lower their chances. A candidate who wants the job badly spends time talking about the company they're applying for, and why that particular company is the place they want to be, and why that particular job is the job they want to do. > they are so much about pretending In my experience, pretending doesn't go very far. It's far better to be in a place of complete honesty about your skills and about your needs and wants. When you're honest, and you find the job you actually want, and you apply for that job, it will show and your chances will go up. I've been interviewing engineers for a couple of decades, and I can tell you it's fairly easy to spot people who are pretending about how good they are and how much they want the job, the entire process is designed to weed out pretenders.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >Want it badly might likely imply that you're dying to do the job you're applying for, and you're dying to work for this particular company. How about not asking people to be "dying" for the job, but just be professionals? Except if the target audience is starry eyed 20-year olds to exploit. When did merely having a good resume and being professional gone out of fashion?
  - dahart 10y ago
    I agree with you, I was trying to make my point more clear by comparing the extremes, since it's a subtle point. I realize I run the risk of sounding like I'm suggesting people should be open to taking less than they're worth. That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that attitude matters, and that's not a trend. Please do keep in mind the context of my words. Parent comment said "I need a job badly". You wouldn't walk into an interview and say that out loud, right? Larger context, OP said he has a good resume and is professional, but it isn't working. There can be more to it, and not because it's fasionable or trendy, but because there always have been and always will be human factors.
    - navalsaini 10y ago
      Hey. Many valid point dahart. I guess, in 30s, one needs more sophisticated ways to project more or less the same things as one in 20s. I read/interpreted your "wanting" a job statement, the wrong way :)
      - dahart 10y ago
        When multiple people take it a different way than I intended, then I must assume that it's my fault and I did a bad job of communicating my idea. I could rephrase what I meant to say as simply try to talk less about what you need and talk more about what the company needs. Let the company ask you about what you need. As other people have pointed out, getting a job is similar to dating. Mutual interest makes a good pairing, and two parties that are only self-interested makes a bad pairing. It would be a bad idea to tell someone they should date you because you really just want to have sex with someone -- anyone -- right? It's a bad idea to date someone you like who doesn't like you, but agrees to it anyway because you pay for meals. It's a good idea to date someone who likes your personality and looks, and someone who's personality and looks you like, someone who you genuinely want to learn more about and look forward to talking to every day.
        vonmoltke 10y ago
        > As other people have pointed out, getting a job is similar to dating. Mutual interest makes a good pairing, and two parties that are only self-interested makes a bad pairing. This is a common analogy, but one I fundamentally disagree with. Dating is about creating a deep personal bond with a single other person. Getting a job is business, and business is fundamentally about two or more self-interested parties coming to a mutually beneficial agreement. I think not treating the process as such, and treating it like dating, are at the root of this industry's hiring issues.

dahart 10y ago

> I might need a job badly but I find it difficult to show that I need it badly. Okay, so there's a very fine line here. You don't want to show that you need it badly. You want to show that you want it badly. Need it badly would imply that the reason you're there is for the cash, and you don't care about the company you're applying for or the job you're going to do for them. Want it badly might likely imply that you're dying to do the job you're applying for, and you're dying to work for this particular company. A candidate who just needs a job and spends time communicating that they need a job badly is going to lower their chances. A candidate who wants the job badly spends time talking about the company they're applying for, and why that particular company is the place they want to be, and why that particular job is the job they want to do. > they are so much about pretending In my experience, pretending doesn't go very far. It's far better to be in a place of complete honesty about your skills and about your needs and wants. When you're honest, and you find the job you actually want, and you apply for that job, it will show and your chances will go up. I've been interviewing engineers for a couple of decades, and I can tell you it's fairly easy to spot people who are pretending about how good they are and how much they want the job, the entire process is designed to weed out pretenders.

coldtea 10y ago
>Want it badly might likely imply that you're dying to do the job you're applying for, and you're dying to work for this particular company. How about not asking people to be "dying" for the job, but just be professionals? Except if the target audience is starry eyed 20-year olds to exploit. When did merely having a good resume and being professional gone out of fashion?
- dahart 10y ago
  I agree with you, I was trying to make my point more clear by comparing the extremes, since it's a subtle point. I realize I run the risk of sounding like I'm suggesting people should be open to taking less than they're worth. That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that attitude matters, and that's not a trend. Please do keep in mind the context of my words. Parent comment said "I need a job badly". You wouldn't walk into an interview and say that out loud, right? Larger context, OP said he has a good resume and is professional, but it isn't working. There can be more to it, and not because it's fasionable or trendy, but because there always have been and always will be human factors.
  - navalsaini 10y ago
    Hey. Many valid point dahart. I guess, in 30s, one needs more sophisticated ways to project more or less the same things as one in 20s. I read/interpreted your "wanting" a job statement, the wrong way :)
    - dahart 10y ago
      When multiple people take it a different way than I intended, then I must assume that it's my fault and I did a bad job of communicating my idea. I could rephrase what I meant to say as simply try to talk less about what you need and talk more about what the company needs. Let the company ask you about what you need. As other people have pointed out, getting a job is similar to dating. Mutual interest makes a good pairing, and two parties that are only self-interested makes a bad pairing. It would be a bad idea to tell someone they should date you because you really just want to have sex with someone -- anyone -- right? It's a bad idea to date someone you like who doesn't like you, but agrees to it anyway because you pay for meals. It's a good idea to date someone who likes your personality and looks, and someone who's personality and looks you like, someone who you genuinely want to learn more about and look forward to talking to every day.
      - vonmoltke 10y ago
        > As other people have pointed out, getting a job is similar to dating. Mutual interest makes a good pairing, and two parties that are only self-interested makes a bad pairing. This is a common analogy, but one I fundamentally disagree with. Dating is about creating a deep personal bond with a single other person. Getting a job is business, and business is fundamentally about two or more self-interested parties coming to a mutually beneficial agreement. I think not treating the process as such, and treating it like dating, are at the root of this industry's hiring issues.