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How dare Rosa Parks defiantly take a seat at the front of the bus.. How could she be so self-centered and... adolescent?

by aantix 10y ago

azernik 10y ago
She was not, as far as I understand, opposed to laws just because they are laws. She had very specific moral objections to very specific laws. Anti-racism != anarchism.
- aantix 10y ago
  Uber is... Anarchy? Like in the movie Thunderdome? Sure. Their opposition wasn't arbitrary; they knew they could provide a better service outside the monopolistic constraints that were already in place. So they fought those battles and because of those battles, everyone gets to experience a much better ride service than the antiquated taxi system.
  - azernik 10y ago
    Not uber in particular; the anarchism is in the mentality that "you want me to circumvent the law and avoid law enforcement? in principle, I'm in!" Which seemed to be the position mindcrime was taking.
  - sdenton4 10y ago
    Everyone gets to experience fancy VC subsidized rides, in any case. I don't see any clear argument that uber is actually more economically efficient than a standard cab...
    - aantix 10y ago
      My time is worth something; standing on a corner at 3pm, checking the time, calling the main office - "oh yeah, he's five minutes away", 45 minutes still waiting, call again.. With Uber/Lyft, I can see when they'll arrive. I can plan to do something with that time if the wait is long enough. I can quickly redirect them to where I am if there's a misunderstanding. Yes, it's more efficient.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        There are plenty taxi of companies worldwide that utilize mobile applications without also showing a disregard for law. The two things don't have to go together. From outside-US perspective, Uber is much less innovative than you'd think. They look simply like assholes with lot of VC money to burn on lawyers.
        aantix 10y ago
        While you're congratulating the world, I'm in Lincoln, NE still waiting on a cab at 4pm. I'm an adult; if I want to enter into an agreement to pay someone else to give me a ride and I'm not harming anyone else, then I will. Fuck their stupid arbitrary laws.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    Come on. They didn't fought for your better taxi experience. They fought for your money! While your point could stand in theory, could work with a different company, it's Uber we're talking about! Those guys who keep showing, since day one, that they don't give a flying fuck about people beyond the money they get for them! The company painted itself a pretty consistent image over the years, and it's the image of a smart asshole with too much money to spend.
doctorcroc 10y ago
While subjective, there is a difference between breaking laws / fighting authority for moral reasons, and breaking laws for financial gain. Yeah, maybe you as an engineer would feel morally righteous for "fighting the man", but Uber doesn't care about that -- it just wants $$$.
- aantix 10y ago
  Uber is fighting the man, in effort to capture $$$/market. That's their market. A business makes money? As much as you wouldn't like to admit, they've broken through a market that was once monopolized and the cities had zero interest in doing anything about it. You now have superior car ride services in part for the work they've done in the market. They have raised the bar.
  - codedokode 10y ago
    But their competitors who comply with the law are losing now.
    - odbol 10y ago
      Exactly the point: the law has ceased to serve the people and has become irrelevant. It's on the government to change it in order for society to progress, not hold us back. Remember, people are using Uber. Citizens. Voters. They are voting with their dollar for the superior product. The government's role has become obsolete in the transaction.
    - mirimir 10y ago
      And who paid for the law to be created.
camus2 10y ago
Yeah, Rosa Parks civil disobedience was a for profit operation! Please stop insulting her. Uber is the embodiment of corporate evil, these people think they are above the law. It's strange how I need to copy and paste my arguments on this thread, like you know Uber was itself astro-turfing HN right now.
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How dare Rosa Parks defiantly take a seat at the front of the bus.. How could she be so self-centered and... adolescent?

by aantix 10y ago

How dare Rosa Parks defiantly take a seat at the front of the bus.. How could she be so self-centered and... adolescent?

azernik 10y ago

She was not, as far as I understand, opposed to laws just because they are laws. She had very specific moral objections to very specific laws. Anti-racism != anarchism.

aantix 10y ago
Uber is... Anarchy? Like in the movie Thunderdome? Sure. Their opposition wasn't arbitrary; they knew they could provide a better service outside the monopolistic constraints that were already in place. So they fought those battles and because of those battles, everyone gets to experience a much better ride service than the antiquated taxi system.
- azernik 10y ago
  Not uber in particular; the anarchism is in the mentality that "you want me to circumvent the law and avoid law enforcement? in principle, I'm in!" Which seemed to be the position mindcrime was taking.
- sdenton4 10y ago
  Everyone gets to experience fancy VC subsidized rides, in any case. I don't see any clear argument that uber is actually more economically efficient than a standard cab...
  - aantix 10y ago
    My time is worth something; standing on a corner at 3pm, checking the time, calling the main office - "oh yeah, he's five minutes away", 45 minutes still waiting, call again.. With Uber/Lyft, I can see when they'll arrive. I can plan to do something with that time if the wait is long enough. I can quickly redirect them to where I am if there's a misunderstanding. Yes, it's more efficient.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      There are plenty taxi of companies worldwide that utilize mobile applications without also showing a disregard for law. The two things don't have to go together. From outside-US perspective, Uber is much less innovative than you'd think. They look simply like assholes with lot of VC money to burn on lawyers.
      - aantix 10y ago
        While you're congratulating the world, I'm in Lincoln, NE still waiting on a cab at 4pm. I'm an adult; if I want to enter into an agreement to pay someone else to give me a ride and I'm not harming anyone else, then I will. Fuck their stupid arbitrary laws.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Come on. They didn't fought for your better taxi experience. They fought for your money! While your point could stand in theory, could work with a different company, it's Uber we're talking about! Those guys who keep showing, since day one, that they don't give a flying fuck about people beyond the money they get for them! The company painted itself a pretty consistent image over the years, and it's the image of a smart asshole with too much money to spend.

doctorcroc 10y ago

While subjective, there is a difference between breaking laws / fighting authority for moral reasons, and breaking laws for financial gain. Yeah, maybe you as an engineer would feel morally righteous for "fighting the man", but Uber doesn't care about that -- it just wants $$$.

aantix 10y ago
Uber is fighting the man, in effort to capture $$$/market. That's their market. A business makes money? As much as you wouldn't like to admit, they've broken through a market that was once monopolized and the cities had zero interest in doing anything about it. You now have superior car ride services in part for the work they've done in the market. They have raised the bar.
- codedokode 10y ago
  But their competitors who comply with the law are losing now.
  - odbol 10y ago
    Exactly the point: the law has ceased to serve the people and has become irrelevant. It's on the government to change it in order for society to progress, not hold us back. Remember, people are using Uber. Citizens. Voters. They are voting with their dollar for the superior product. The government's role has become obsolete in the transaction.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    And who paid for the law to be created.

camus2 10y ago

Yeah, Rosa Parks civil disobedience was a for profit operation! Please stop insulting her. Uber is the embodiment of corporate evil, these people think they are above the law. It's strange how I need to copy and paste my arguments on this thread, like you know Uber was itself astro-turfing HN right now.

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