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Or like non-Jews hiding Jews from the Nazi police. Obviously that's a dramatic example, but so is the drug dealer example. If Uber believes that the taxi indu

Or like non-Jews hiding Jews from the Nazi police. Obviously that's a dramatic example, but so is the drug dealer example. If Uber believes that the taxi industry is wrongfully colluding with the government to try to stop Uber from operating, then it's not necessarily wrong for Uber to do whatever it can to continue operating.

Godel_unicode 10y ago
A less extreme example would be saying that you bought that weed for your glaucoma.
adamsea 10y ago
If Uber believes the taxi industry and the government are wrongfully colluding, it has the means to legally make that case as well as in the court of public opinion. That is obviously not true for the extreme example you cited of genocide under fascism, so, I don't think it makes sense to compare the two.
- gtirloni 10y ago
  Exactly. Uber didn't have to have Greyball in the first place. Every driver that got intimidated/assaulted should go to the police. Every time a competitor pulled some shenanigans against Uber, they should sue. And so on and so forth. This is just smokescreen. It's obvious what the intent was.
timecube 10y ago
https://youtu.be/t5zQpN28xa4 https://youtu.be/t5zQpN28xa4 Life imitates art.
- 59nadir 10y ago
  Actually, the art in this case imitated this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8
codedokode 10y ago
If Uber thinks law is wrong why don't they start a campaign to change it? England or France are supposed to be democratic states, aren't they?
booleandilemma 10y ago
No, sorry, Uber doesn't get to resort to some kind of corporate vigilantism and "do whatever it can to continue operating". Uber can go through the proper legal channels to address the concerns it has.
- odbol 10y ago
  Laws take years, even decades to change. We'd never have any progress if every technological advancement had to wait for the law to catch up and regulate it.
  - aub3bhat 10y ago
    how dare you utter such impure thoughts on a forum named "Hacker News". Regulations is always for the greater good!!! /s
    - thecrazyone 10y ago
      Haha, not sure why this is being down voted. This is meant to be a funny, sarcastic comment :-)
  - pyrale 10y ago
    We do have quite a lot of advancement which comes without violating the law. Also breaking the social canvas to correct something you feel is unfairly repressed/enforced is not something to do lightly. Let me give you an example here. I think Uber is a bad thing, but there's nothing I can do to oppose them, legally, that is. Should I carry out my own justice, illegally ? You can see that this pattern of thought quickly falls down, because making compromises is actually an important part of living in society.
    - pjc50 10y ago
      It sounds like this happened in some places - uber cars getting vandalized in France, for example. Once you say "we're not going to follow the law", do you have the moral right to demand it be enforced on other people?

Godel_unicode 10y ago

A less extreme example would be saying that you bought that weed for your glaucoma.

adamsea 10y ago

If Uber believes the taxi industry and the government are wrongfully colluding, it has the means to legally make that case as well as in the court of public opinion. That is obviously not true for the extreme example you cited of genocide under fascism, so, I don't think it makes sense to compare the two.

gtirloni 10y ago
Exactly. Uber didn't have to have Greyball in the first place. Every driver that got intimidated/assaulted should go to the police. Every time a competitor pulled some shenanigans against Uber, they should sue. And so on and so forth. This is just smokescreen. It's obvious what the intent was.

timecube 10y ago

https://youtu.be/t5zQpN28xa4 https://youtu.be/t5zQpN28xa4 Life imitates art.

59nadir 10y ago
Actually, the art in this case imitated this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8

codedokode 10y ago

If Uber thinks law is wrong why don't they start a campaign to change it? England or France are supposed to be democratic states, aren't they?

booleandilemma 10y ago

No, sorry, Uber doesn't get to resort to some kind of corporate vigilantism and "do whatever it can to continue operating". Uber can go through the proper legal channels to address the concerns it has.

odbol 10y ago
Laws take years, even decades to change. We'd never have any progress if every technological advancement had to wait for the law to catch up and regulate it.
- aub3bhat 10y ago
  how dare you utter such impure thoughts on a forum named "Hacker News". Regulations is always for the greater good!!! /s
  - thecrazyone 10y ago
    Haha, not sure why this is being down voted. This is meant to be a funny, sarcastic comment :-)
- pyrale 10y ago
  We do have quite a lot of advancement which comes without violating the law. Also breaking the social canvas to correct something you feel is unfairly repressed/enforced is not something to do lightly. Let me give you an example here. I think Uber is a bad thing, but there's nothing I can do to oppose them, legally, that is. Should I carry out my own justice, illegally ? You can see that this pattern of thought quickly falls down, because making compromises is actually an important part of living in society.
  - pjc50 10y ago
    It sounds like this happened in some places - uber cars getting vandalized in France, for example. Once you say "we're not going to follow the law", do you have the moral right to demand it be enforced on other people?