Sure, but what civilized nation requires someone with a spouse and children who are citizens to get a visa in the first place? Surely that should automatically

Sure, but what civilized nation requires someone with a spouse and children who are citizens to get a visa in the first place? Surely that should automatically qualify one for at least permanent resident status. The Netherlands? It was a long time ago, but after you get married to a foreign spouse outside of the Netherlands, you have to come home, she has to wait in her country of origin for 6 months minimum until she can come and join you. This was like 15 years ago, I'm sure it is even more ridiculous now.