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The problem is that the EU is organized in such a way that it is at an intermediate stage between it being just a bunch of different nations and it being someth

The problem is that the EU is organized in such a way that it is at an intermediate stage between it being just a bunch of different nations and it being something similar to the USA. We need more EU and less nationalism to become something similar to the USA, we need a bigger EU government and smaller nations governments. The EU government is about 1% of the GDP and the nations governments are 50%, we need to reverse those numbers. Of course I agree that the EU is not very democratic right, we also need to change that.

blibble 10y ago
> The EU government is about 1% of the GDP this is not actually true, the way the EU has been setup is very clever: it does not attribute a large proportion of costs directly incurred by its policies to itself. when powers are transferred to the EU, the national institutions used to implement those powers (that previously served the national government) remain, but now implement the EU's legislative program, but the costs incurred doing so are still paid by the national treasuries. prime examples are civil aviation, food safety and agriculture policy. these departments are essentially operated by and for the EU, yet the expenses of those departments are not correctly attributed to the EU. if these expenses were correctly attributed for that 1% would likely be 3-4x higher, and people would be a lot more upset.
lend000 10y ago
> the EU is organized in such a way that it is at an intermediate stage between it being just a bunch of different nations and it being something similar to the USA There's certainly an argument for that, but I would instead argue that the US states would benefit from being independent countries (this is not as compelling as dissolving the EU, though; we're not at that point yet). The primary motivator is diseconomies of scale -- these huge organizations become extremely inefficient, and often corrupt (look at India and China).

blibble 10y ago

> The EU government is about 1% of the GDP this is not actually true, the way the EU has been setup is very clever: it does not attribute a large proportion of costs directly incurred by its policies to itself. when powers are transferred to the EU, the national institutions used to implement those powers (that previously served the national government) remain, but now implement the EU's legislative program, but the costs incurred doing so are still paid by the national treasuries. prime examples are civil aviation, food safety and agriculture policy. these departments are essentially operated by and for the EU, yet the expenses of those departments are not correctly attributed to the EU. if these expenses were correctly attributed for that 1% would likely be 3-4x higher, and people would be a lot more upset.

lend000 10y ago

> the EU is organized in such a way that it is at an intermediate stage between it being just a bunch of different nations and it being something similar to the USA There's certainly an argument for that, but I would instead argue that the US states would benefit from being independent countries (this is not as compelling as dissolving the EU, though; we're not at that point yet). The primary motivator is diseconomies of scale -- these huge organizations become extremely inefficient, and often corrupt (look at India and China).