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> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for this. Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. > and yes, it's a real quot

by lispm 10y ago

> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for this. Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. > and yes, it's a real quote It isn't. > I'm not even European I am.

Exofunctor 10y ago
> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. Feel free to actually try to refute anything I said. > It isn't. It is according to Avraham Burg, and I'm not sure there is anyone more qualified to make such a claim.
- lispm 10y ago
  > Feel free to actually try to refute anything I said. Refute right-wing propaganda? > It is according to Avraham Burg, and I'm not sure there is anyone more qualified to make such a claim. Point me to a recording where Schulz said anything like that. On the contrary, Schulz has a decade long track record working for Germany and the European Union.
  - Exofunctor 10y ago
    I'm not right-wing by any stretch of the imagination (pretty hard left, actually), so the fact that instead of actually thinking about my arguments you just slap a label on them and dismiss them out of hand should disturb you. Perhaps what's confusing to you is that I'm capable of considering the thought process of people I disagree with. > Point me to a recording where Schulz said anything like that. You understand that not everything politicians say is recorded? That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.574332 http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.574332 > On the contrary, Schulz has a decade long track record working for Germany and the European Union All you've done is prove my point; even people who work for the EU for a long time appear to have plenty of conflicting non-EU interests.
    - lispm 10y ago
      > You understand that not everything politicians say is recorded? That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. So all you have is that? Let's sum it up: there is no recording of that, there are no witnesses, there has been no transcript, Schulz himself has never acknowledged it, there are no other sources where Schulz has said anything like that, ... All you have is a sentence which is circulating in right-wing groups. It's actually obvious that Germany in its current form exists and that Martin Schulz aims to be its next chancellor. > All you've done is prove my point Sure not. > even people who work for the EU for a long time appear to have plenty of conflicting non-EU interests. What does it have to do with Martin Schulz?
      - Exofunctor 10y ago
        So what you're saying is that a direct claim from a high-ranking Israeli politician about a conversation he had, with no apparent benefit to lying about its contents, is not enough? > right-wing groups Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, is a "right wing group"? > What does it have to do with Martin Schulz? I feel like I'm chatting with a bot; do you remember the course of our conversation? Yes, Schulz has been working for the EU for a long time; he also, apparently, has had strong interests outside the EU for as well. Why do you think many Europeans feel betrayed by the EU?
        lispm 10y ago
        > So what you're saying is that a direct claim from a high-ranking Israeli politician about a conversation he had, with no apparent benefit to lying about its contents, is not enough? Exactly. Random people can claim anything. There is no credible source and Schulz never said anything like that on record. You might want to listen to what Schulz actually says. > Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, is a "right wing group"? Repeated only by right-wing groups. > he also, apparently, has had strong interests outside the EU for as well. which ones?
        Yetanfou 10y ago
vixen99 10y ago
This is just name calling. Can you please stop and instead produce some reasoned arguments and / or relevant observations to support your contention.
dang 10y ago
> dumb enough to fall for your nonsense You can't comment like this here, so please don't. Yes, the GP started it with the 'dumb enough', but the 'your nonsense' clearly crosses into personal incivility and we ban accounts that do that. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13786872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13786872 and marked it off-topic.
- lispm 10y ago
  I am European, don't believe anything like what he claims and thus he called me dumb enough. Why is his posting allowed, which claimed that European politicians literally are given A SHIT about their citizens?????? Read his post. Sorry, European politicians give a lot of SHIT (his words) about their citizens and I find it extremely offensive to claim otherwise. He also made extremely negative and racist statements about refugees who fled to Europe from the war in Syria. Double standards. Allowing racist posts...

by lispm 10y ago

> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for this. Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. > and yes, it's a real quote It isn't. > I'm not even European I am.

Exofunctor 10y ago

> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. Feel free to actually try to refute anything I said. > It isn't. It is according to Avraham Burg, and I'm not sure there is anyone more qualified to make such a claim.

lispm 10y ago
> Feel free to actually try to refute anything I said. Refute right-wing propaganda? > It is according to Avraham Burg, and I'm not sure there is anyone more qualified to make such a claim. Point me to a recording where Schulz said anything like that. On the contrary, Schulz has a decade long track record working for Germany and the European Union.
- Exofunctor 10y ago
  I'm not right-wing by any stretch of the imagination (pretty hard left, actually), so the fact that instead of actually thinking about my arguments you just slap a label on them and dismiss them out of hand should disturb you. Perhaps what's confusing to you is that I'm capable of considering the thought process of people I disagree with. > Point me to a recording where Schulz said anything like that. You understand that not everything politicians say is recorded? That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.574332 http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.574332 > On the contrary, Schulz has a decade long track record working for Germany and the European Union All you've done is prove my point; even people who work for the EU for a long time appear to have plenty of conflicting non-EU interests.
  - lispm 10y ago
    > You understand that not everything politicians say is recorded? That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. So all you have is that? Let's sum it up: there is no recording of that, there are no witnesses, there has been no transcript, Schulz himself has never acknowledged it, there are no other sources where Schulz has said anything like that, ... All you have is a sentence which is circulating in right-wing groups. It's actually obvious that Germany in its current form exists and that Martin Schulz aims to be its next chancellor. > All you've done is prove my point Sure not. > even people who work for the EU for a long time appear to have plenty of conflicting non-EU interests. What does it have to do with Martin Schulz?
    - Exofunctor 10y ago
      So what you're saying is that a direct claim from a high-ranking Israeli politician about a conversation he had, with no apparent benefit to lying about its contents, is not enough? > right-wing groups Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, is a "right wing group"? > What does it have to do with Martin Schulz? I feel like I'm chatting with a bot; do you remember the course of our conversation? Yes, Schulz has been working for the EU for a long time; he also, apparently, has had strong interests outside the EU for as well. Why do you think many Europeans feel betrayed by the EU?
      - lispm 10y ago
        > So what you're saying is that a direct claim from a high-ranking Israeli politician about a conversation he had, with no apparent benefit to lying about its contents, is not enough? Exactly. Random people can claim anything. There is no credible source and Schulz never said anything like that on record. You might want to listen to what Schulz actually says. > Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, is a "right wing group"? Repeated only by right-wing groups. > he also, apparently, has had strong interests outside the EU for as well. which ones?
        Yetanfou 10y ago

vixen99 10y ago

This is just name calling. Can you please stop and instead produce some reasoned arguments and / or relevant observations to support your contention.

dang 10y ago

> dumb enough to fall for your nonsense You can't comment like this here, so please don't. Yes, the GP started it with the 'dumb enough', but the 'your nonsense' clearly crosses into personal incivility and we ban accounts that do that. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13786872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13786872 and marked it off-topic.

lispm 10y ago
I am European, don't believe anything like what he claims and thus he called me dumb enough. Why is his posting allowed, which claimed that European politicians literally are given A SHIT about their citizens?????? Read his post. Sorry, European politicians give a lot of SHIT (his words) about their citizens and I find it extremely offensive to claim otherwise. He also made extremely negative and racist statements about refugees who fled to Europe from the war in Syria. Double standards. Allowing racist posts...