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Are you also going to take the same generous view towards people evading State regulations and laws that you don't like? Because if you are only okay with peop
by prewett 10y ago
Are you also going to take the same generous view towards people evading State regulations and laws that you don't like? Because if you are only okay with people evading laws that you don't like, but they should obey the ones you do like, then you are setting yourself above the law. That way lies authoritarianism.
- DaUR 10y agoNot sure how civil disobedience leads to authoritarianism rather than the opposite. Also, by your reasoning, civil disobedience is never justified. And does Trump being President change your reasoning at all?
- pharrington 10y agoCivil disobedience works precisely by accepting the consequences of the law. This is the literal opposite of Uber's behavior.
- yestoallthat 10y agoDisobedience would be refusing to take part in such scummy schemes, and making a huge stink over it. > Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws PROFESSED. To twist that on this on its head, and use another sociopath to excuse it is hilarious. But since you ask: no, that's even MORE reason to not accept this bullshit.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoCivil disobedience is breaking the law one perceives as unjust (or refusing to follow it) to make a point about the legal system. It includes accepting the consequences of one's actions. What Uber does is garden variety illegal business practice. No societal benefit in mind, just money to be made.
- themaninthedark 10y agoSo then is the country clerk that refused to sign marriage certificates for gays a hero too? She was just practicing civil disobedience. Or perhaps she should just move very slowly when it comes to same sex couples, just never can get the work done. She isn't refusing it just never gets done.
- ImSkeptical 10y agoNot everyone practicing civil disobedience is right.
- nikcub 10y agoI think this is best exemplified by the 20th centuries most famous authoritarian, Martin Luther King Jnr
- pharrington 10y agoAgain, civil disobedience accepts the legal consequences of its actions and is part of a vocal, public effort to change the laws the person or group deems unjust. The entire premise is to create better laws for everyone to abide by. Uber uses deception to shield itself from the consequences of its criminal actions and consolidate wealth for itself. I'm assuming you're not trolling, so think long and hard about your own understanding of society the next time you want to compare MLK to an anarcho-capitalist megacorp.
- aianus 10y agoI don't see how they aren't "creating better laws for everyone to abide by". They're not a monopoly on ridesharing and because of their efforts converting the hearts and minds of consumers and politicians others can do it too like Juno, Tesla, Lyft, etc.
- pharrington 10y agoAssertion: medallion regulations are currently onerous and against the financial interests of cities and citizens. Uber's public and explicit proposal to change the medallion system: " " Your statement applies to literally every company that has lobbyists. You need way more than that to present evidence for your claim. Again, civil disobedience's core mechanism for gaining the support needed to enact the change it publicly and explicitly advocates for is to accept the consequences of breaking the unjust laws.
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- nikcub 10y agoIn cities where Uber is legal and regulated, they are not breaking any laws and have no requirement to track city investigations against them. Uber were also being disobedient in order to get better laws for they and everybody else to abide by. Better yet - their technique pretty much won. There aren't many cities remaining that still attempt to ban ride sharing.