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What made you doubt my seriousness? Of course I am serious. I am not aware of how bad refugee crisis. Sure, people are complaining but we are not talking about

by harigov 10y ago

What made you doubt my seriousness? Of course I am serious. I am not aware of how bad refugee crisis. Sure, people are complaining but we are not talking about millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether. Globalization has been going on for decades now and things do seem to have improved for many. Why now?

rfrank 10y ago
> ...but we are not talking about millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether. That is exactly what people are talking about. [1-5] > Globalization has been going on for decades now and things do seem to have improved for many. Why now? Things have improved for some, generally in different countries than the places where things have gotten much worse. See the decline of middle America. Add an elite class who's comfortable with and encourages income inequality [6], and you get lots of anger and backlash. Especially if you only call the people with complaints about globalization ignorant and racist for caring about their own self interest. 1. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-ra... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe... 3. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2523332/migrants-sexually-assault-14-women-and-1000-strong-gang-throw-fireworks-at-police-as-chaos-hits-nye-events-across-germany-despite-heightened-security/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2523332/migrants-sexually-assa... 4. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/eight-iraqi-migrants-who-gang-9949802 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/eight-iraqi-migrants... 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Zk3TUNRBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Zk3TUNRBs 6. http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html
codys 10y ago
> millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether Note that there were slightly over 1 million applications for asylum in Europe in 2015 [1]. I can't find numbers for totals in 2016, but [2] has some raw statistics & charts. Note that these numbers don't account for migrants that don't apply for asylum (which could be a very small or a very large percentage, but is likely non-zero). I can't speak for the "changing the social fabric" bit though. [1]: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911 [2]: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... [cache of 2]: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ki9SPSvqDKsJ:ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ki9SPSv...

by harigov 10y ago

rfrank 10y ago

> ...but we are not talking about millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether. That is exactly what people are talking about. [1-5] > Globalization has been going on for decades now and things do seem to have improved for many. Why now? Things have improved for some, generally in different countries than the places where things have gotten much worse. See the decline of middle America. Add an elite class who's comfortable with and encourages income inequality [6], and you get lots of anger and backlash. Especially if you only call the people with complaints about globalization ignorant and racist for caring about their own self interest. 1. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-ra... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe... 3. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2523332/migrants-sexually-assault-14-women-and-1000-strong-gang-throw-fireworks-at-police-as-chaos-hits-nye-events-across-germany-despite-heightened-security/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2523332/migrants-sexually-assa... 4. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/eight-iraqi-migrants-who-gang-9949802 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/eight-iraqi-migrants... 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Zk3TUNRBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Zk3TUNRBs 6. http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html

codys 10y ago

> millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether Note that there were slightly over 1 million applications for asylum in Europe in 2015 [1]. I can't find numbers for totals in 2016, but [2] has some raw statistics & charts. Note that these numbers don't account for migrants that don't apply for asylum (which could be a very small or a very large percentage, but is likely non-zero). I can't speak for the "changing the social fabric" bit though. [1]: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911 [2]: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... [cache of 2]: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ki9SPSvqDKsJ:ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ki9SPSv...