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The media "sticking to the facts" (laughable) isn't what causes mistrust. Them treating whole swaths of public debates as taboo, and ignoring some sets of incon

by DaUR 10y ago

The media "sticking to the facts" (laughable) isn't what causes mistrust. Them treating whole swaths of public debates as taboo, and ignoring some sets of inconvenient facts, is. If there's no problem, why the taboo? Violent crime has fallen over decades, but has increased since the refugee crisis. This manipulation of facts by the media is what causes distrust, and is their own doing. Check out the journalism Tim Pool (Vice Media) is doing, right now, over in Sweden. He's reported on the Middle East, on the ground, in the past. He said he would investigate if there was any link between crime and refugee migration in Sweden. Before he even left for that country, he got harassed on Twitter by many on the left including journalists. Once there, after some continued trying to create a scandal out of nothing, several of the Swedes he had set up interviews with outright cancelled, and more agreed to speak but not on the record, meaning he can't publish any of what they said. If there's no problem there, why are people being terrorized into silence? If there's no problem there, why groups of men with masks threaten Tim and his co-reporter in the streets, and why did the Swedish police force them to leave the area, instead of defending them? (check his Twitter)

stenl 10y ago
First, to claim that there's a taboo on discussing these issues is ridiculous on its face when it's discussed pretty much every day in every newspaper. You just don't like when people disagree with you that crime is linked to immigration. That link is far from proven. In fact, in the US it's pretty clear that crime does not increase when refugees arrive; if anything it goes down: http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-crime/516471/ http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-... I'm not aware of any similar research in Sweden, which is a pity. I watched Tim Pool's reporting on how media "skews crine statistics" and thought it was pretty good. I would just add that while it's true that some types of crime have increased in the last year or two, we'll have to wait a few more years to know if that's a trend or a natural fluctuation. Homework assignment for tomorrow: what was the effect on violent crime rates in Sweden of the mass arrival of predominantly muslim refugees from the Balkans in the 1990s?
- DaUR 10y ago
  "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." > In fact, in the US it's pretty clear that crime does not increase when refugees arrive; if anything it goes down: http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-.. http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-.... The US isn't Sweden. > I'm not aware of any similar research in Sweden, which is a pity. They did it in 2005. Didn't do it again since. You can guess why. > Homework assignment for tomorrow For you: learn respect (and read the site guidelines).

by DaUR 10y ago

stenl 10y ago

First, to claim that there's a taboo on discussing these issues is ridiculous on its face when it's discussed pretty much every day in every newspaper. You just don't like when people disagree with you that crime is linked to immigration. That link is far from proven. In fact, in the US it's pretty clear that crime does not increase when refugees arrive; if anything it goes down: http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-crime/516471/ http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-... I'm not aware of any similar research in Sweden, which is a pity. I watched Tim Pool's reporting on how media "skews crine statistics" and thought it was pretty good. I would just add that while it's true that some types of crime have increased in the last year or two, we'll have to wait a few more years to know if that's a trend or a natural fluctuation. Homework assignment for tomorrow: what was the effect on violent crime rates in Sweden of the mass arrival of predominantly muslim refugees from the Balkans in the 1990s?

DaUR 10y ago
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." > In fact, in the US it's pretty clear that crime does not increase when refugees arrive; if anything it goes down: http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-.. http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-.... The US isn't Sweden. > I'm not aware of any similar research in Sweden, which is a pity. They did it in 2005. Didn't do it again since. You can guess why. > Homework assignment for tomorrow For you: learn respect (and read the site guidelines).