>> Along those same lines, I never understood why bars and clubs have such loud music as to make conversation impossible. Bars I can understand but the point o

>> Along those same lines, I never understood why bars and clubs have such loud music as to make conversation impossible. Bars I can understand but the point of a club is the music/dancing. You go to a bar for some conversation before the club. Seems a lot of bars are becoming part-clubs though because that's what people want (local bars and pubs have been closing down pretty quickly in the last 10 years).