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Steve demoed WebObjects and this Dodge virtual showroom at a Microsoft Conference in 96: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goNXogpwvAk https://www.youtube.com/wat

by itomato 10y ago

Steve demoed WebObjects and this Dodge virtual showroom at a Microsoft Conference in 96: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goNXogpwvAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goNXogpwvAk

mwcampbell 10y ago
> And you have to know nothing about HTML to use WebObjects. How well did that work out in practice? Did WebObjects make heavy use of server-side in-memory sessions (which would require sticky sessions in a modern load-balanced setup)? Could it do things like registering event handlers to let you submit data back to the server or even go to another part of the app without having to know about URLs and HTML forms?
- cmg 10y ago
  IIRC, WebObjects had an application called WebObjects Builder that was essentially a WYSIWYG HTML editor that was the web equivalent of Cocoa's Interface Builder. You'd drag & drop UI elements and hook them up to data objects, which would generate Java classes in the background.
  - Scramblejams 10y ago
    I hate web dev, and I find myself wishing that there were a modern equivalent of what you've described. Is there one that doesn't suck?
    - mwcampbell 10y ago
      Vaadin [1] might be close, if you don't mind the JVM on the server side. [1]: https://vaadin.com/introduction https://vaadin.com/introduction
      - deleted 10y ago
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      - Cyph0n 10y ago
        +1. This is the closest thing to what OP described that I know of.
    - pouta 10y ago
      Search for relax/relax on GitHub. You'll love it.
    - mikecsh 10y ago
      Cappuccino [1] is a port of Objective-C to Objective-J (plus transpiler to JS) combined with a port of the Cocoa Frameworks for building client side "desktop class" web apps. You can use interface builder in XCode to layout your UI graphically. [1] http://cappuccino-project.org http://cappuccino-project.org
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    > which would generate Java classes in the background. Initially it was Objective-C classes not Java. Web Objects was later ported to Java and then it did generate Java classes.
teraflop 10y ago
Wow, Jobs was doing "Web 2.0" before it was cool! https://youtu.be/goNXogpwvAk?t=154 https://youtu.be/goNXogpwvAk?t=154

by itomato 10y ago

Steve demoed WebObjects and this Dodge virtual showroom at a Microsoft Conference in 96: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goNXogpwvAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goNXogpwvAk

mwcampbell 10y ago

> And you have to know nothing about HTML to use WebObjects. How well did that work out in practice? Did WebObjects make heavy use of server-side in-memory sessions (which would require sticky sessions in a modern load-balanced setup)? Could it do things like registering event handlers to let you submit data back to the server or even go to another part of the app without having to know about URLs and HTML forms?

cmg 10y ago
IIRC, WebObjects had an application called WebObjects Builder that was essentially a WYSIWYG HTML editor that was the web equivalent of Cocoa's Interface Builder. You'd drag & drop UI elements and hook them up to data objects, which would generate Java classes in the background.
- Scramblejams 10y ago
  I hate web dev, and I find myself wishing that there were a modern equivalent of what you've described. Is there one that doesn't suck?
  - mwcampbell 10y ago
    Vaadin [1] might be close, if you don't mind the JVM on the server side. [1]: https://vaadin.com/introduction https://vaadin.com/introduction
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
    - Cyph0n 10y ago
      +1. This is the closest thing to what OP described that I know of.
  - pouta 10y ago
    Search for relax/relax on GitHub. You'll love it.
  - mikecsh 10y ago
    Cappuccino [1] is a port of Objective-C to Objective-J (plus transpiler to JS) combined with a port of the Cocoa Frameworks for building client side "desktop class" web apps. You can use interface builder in XCode to layout your UI graphically. [1] http://cappuccino-project.org http://cappuccino-project.org
- pjmlp 10y ago
  > which would generate Java classes in the background. Initially it was Objective-C classes not Java. Web Objects was later ported to Java and then it did generate Java classes.

teraflop 10y ago

Wow, Jobs was doing "Web 2.0" before it was cool! https://youtu.be/goNXogpwvAk?t=154 https://youtu.be/goNXogpwvAk?t=154