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Building a Road Map for the Self-Driving Car

24 points by KKKKkkkk1 10y ago

aurelianito 10y ago
Why would the self driving cars need better maps than humans do? After all, we use this maps to go where we want to.
- LudoA 10y ago
  Yes, I'm also confused about this. Existing maps should be enough, and LIDAR, etc. ensure that self-driving cars can respond to road conditions in an ad-hoc manner, instead of relying on a predefined detailed map. The article doesn't make a good point of why this is needed. OTOH, given the money involved in the technology & companies mentioned in the article (like Here), I presume there must be a need for this.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    There is a rough line between the task of understanding the immediate environment and the task of driving through it. I get the impression that many of the efforts have used detailed mapping to assist the first task so that they can get started on the second. I don't think this means they are stuck with it.
  - a_t48 10y ago
    How can a combination of existing maps/car technology and LIDAR pinpoint at high resolution where a car is? Imagine a scenario where a car needs to merge across two lanes of traffic and turn into an alley. The car has to be able to plan the merges before it gets to the alley, and know that it is at the proper place to turn. Before you say "GPS" think of how often your phone's GPS messes up.
    - badestrand 10y ago
      Google Maps tells me a few hundred meters in advance so the car AI can know, too. The location does not need to be precise down to a centimeter, it should be enough to know "the alley is somewhat near" so it can start to get into the rightmost lane. Just as we humans do it. There are enough artifical obstacles on the road anyway (wrongly parked cars etc).
  - gbin 10y ago
    You can see it as a simple optimization. The map can be considered mostly invariant. For example, why would you need to waste resources to check over and over if this tree is a pedestrian, a car, a dog or a cyclist ?
chrismealy 10y ago
This is an admission that self-driving cars aren't going to happen. You might as well just put them on tracks.
- a_t48 10y ago
  They aren't going to happen short term for consumers. The economics should work out fine for fleet vehicles that are confined to a single well mapped metropolitan area.
cmsmith 10y ago
>Creating them, however, is a monumental task. There are more than four million miles of roads in the United States. I assume that most passenger-miles are driven on <0.5MM miles of roads, moreso if they are marketing mainly to normal suburb-city commuters. And the advantage of self driving cars isn't really in the last mile. In my commuting days, I would have said driving myself for 40 minutes <<< self driving car drives for 35 minutes and I drive for 5 < self driving car drives for 40 minutes

24 points by KKKKkkkk1 10y ago

aurelianito 10y ago

Why would the self driving cars need better maps than humans do? After all, we use this maps to go where we want to.

LudoA 10y ago
Yes, I'm also confused about this. Existing maps should be enough, and LIDAR, etc. ensure that self-driving cars can respond to road conditions in an ad-hoc manner, instead of relying on a predefined detailed map. The article doesn't make a good point of why this is needed. OTOH, given the money involved in the technology & companies mentioned in the article (like Here), I presume there must be a need for this.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  There is a rough line between the task of understanding the immediate environment and the task of driving through it. I get the impression that many of the efforts have used detailed mapping to assist the first task so that they can get started on the second. I don't think this means they are stuck with it.
- a_t48 10y ago
  How can a combination of existing maps/car technology and LIDAR pinpoint at high resolution where a car is? Imagine a scenario where a car needs to merge across two lanes of traffic and turn into an alley. The car has to be able to plan the merges before it gets to the alley, and know that it is at the proper place to turn. Before you say "GPS" think of how often your phone's GPS messes up.
  - badestrand 10y ago
    Google Maps tells me a few hundred meters in advance so the car AI can know, too. The location does not need to be precise down to a centimeter, it should be enough to know "the alley is somewhat near" so it can start to get into the rightmost lane. Just as we humans do it. There are enough artifical obstacles on the road anyway (wrongly parked cars etc).
- gbin 10y ago
  You can see it as a simple optimization. The map can be considered mostly invariant. For example, why would you need to waste resources to check over and over if this tree is a pedestrian, a car, a dog or a cyclist ?

chrismealy 10y ago

This is an admission that self-driving cars aren't going to happen. You might as well just put them on tracks.

a_t48 10y ago
They aren't going to happen short term for consumers. The economics should work out fine for fleet vehicles that are confined to a single well mapped metropolitan area.

cmsmith 10y ago

>Creating them, however, is a monumental task. There are more than four million miles of roads in the United States. I assume that most passenger-miles are driven on <0.5MM miles of roads, moreso if they are marketing mainly to normal suburb-city commuters. And the advantage of self driving cars isn't really in the last mile. In my commuting days, I would have said driving myself for 40 minutes <<< self driving car drives for 35 minutes and I drive for 5 < self driving car drives for 40 minutes