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> Leap Motion (after the Orion update) was quick, accurate (...) but not stable. 10% of the time one hand goes away, gets out of range.. It's really good, but

by feiss 10y ago

> Leap Motion (after the Orion update) was quick, accurate (...) but not stable. 10% of the time one hand goes away, gets out of range.. It's really good, but not enough for mass -or even eventual- consumption, imho.

moron4hire 10y ago
Orion must have had a bit of a placebo effect or something. When I first installed it, I had a sense "this is better!" But after trying to write applications with it and use it more frequently, I found I was hitting the same old problems, just as often as before. Let's also not forget that Orion came out a little over a year ago now. Still in beta. Still pretty janky. I just don't have a lot of confidence that Leap will clean up their issues and make a better product. There is another device, Occipital Structure Sensor (https://structure.io/ https://structure.io/), that I'm keen to try out. It's essentially a micro Kinect you can strap your face. Supposedly enables room-scale, inside-out tracking and pass-through AR on smartphones. They support desktop devices, but frankly, if I'm on desktop, I want an OpenVR-based system. For mobile devices, the company officially only supports iOS, which is complete balls. However, I have heard tale that some people from parts unknown have gotten it to work on Android using the now-ancient OpenNI 2 (https://github.com/occipital/OpenNI2 https://github.com/occipital/OpenNI2). There's an additional problem with all of these devices, though: they only face front and they aren't able to track the body's full range of motion. It's severely limiting for what you can do.
- meheleventyone 10y ago
  The structure sensor is okay but it still has far too much latency to be acceptable. So far the only convincing inside out tracking I've seen has been the Hololens and even that isn't quite perfect.
  - moron4hire 10y ago
    Yeah, I frequently tell people that the Hololens is amazing from a technology standpoint, hot garbage from an actual usefulness one. For my purposes, the Vive is the only system that does a thing that is usefully different enoug from standard WIMP systems--and does it well enough--to bother putting up with its respective defects. But if we consider what the "holy grail" of MR might be--an unobtrusive device that conforms to the user rather than force contrivances on them--that foretold device is more likely to be in the HoloLens' lineage than the Rift or Vive.
mustacheemperor 10y ago
The problem with Orion is that any tracking in VR needs to be 100% accurate, or nearly. Orion is awesome when it works, but the amount of time it fails to work is a disorienting, frustrating, critical dealbreaker for now.

by feiss 10y ago

moron4hire 10y ago

Orion must have had a bit of a placebo effect or something. When I first installed it, I had a sense "this is better!" But after trying to write applications with it and use it more frequently, I found I was hitting the same old problems, just as often as before. Let's also not forget that Orion came out a little over a year ago now. Still in beta. Still pretty janky. I just don't have a lot of confidence that Leap will clean up their issues and make a better product. There is another device, Occipital Structure Sensor (https://structure.io/ https://structure.io/), that I'm keen to try out. It's essentially a micro Kinect you can strap your face. Supposedly enables room-scale, inside-out tracking and pass-through AR on smartphones. They support desktop devices, but frankly, if I'm on desktop, I want an OpenVR-based system. For mobile devices, the company officially only supports iOS, which is complete balls. However, I have heard tale that some people from parts unknown have gotten it to work on Android using the now-ancient OpenNI 2 (https://github.com/occipital/OpenNI2 https://github.com/occipital/OpenNI2). There's an additional problem with all of these devices, though: they only face front and they aren't able to track the body's full range of motion. It's severely limiting for what you can do.

meheleventyone 10y ago
The structure sensor is okay but it still has far too much latency to be acceptable. So far the only convincing inside out tracking I've seen has been the Hololens and even that isn't quite perfect.
- moron4hire 10y ago
  Yeah, I frequently tell people that the Hololens is amazing from a technology standpoint, hot garbage from an actual usefulness one. For my purposes, the Vive is the only system that does a thing that is usefully different enoug from standard WIMP systems--and does it well enough--to bother putting up with its respective defects. But if we consider what the "holy grail" of MR might be--an unobtrusive device that conforms to the user rather than force contrivances on them--that foretold device is more likely to be in the HoloLens' lineage than the Rift or Vive.

mustacheemperor 10y ago

The problem with Orion is that any tracking in VR needs to be 100% accurate, or nearly. Orion is awesome when it works, but the amount of time it fails to work is a disorienting, frustrating, critical dealbreaker for now.