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Berlin Living Rooms

149 points by lermontov 10y ago

colmvp 10y ago
Having looked at some of the photos, one of the things that I notice is a lack of televisions which I see amongst sometimes with my friends. I find when I go to my friends living room with a PS4 and tv, we generally chat for a few minutes before diving into games or videos. Or if I go to another friends place, they feel obligated to entertain instead of allowing one another to be he entertainment. And while I certainly enjoy those moments around the tv, it feels less gratifying than talking amongst each other about the state of things and being deep within our conversations. Perhaps that's why when I'm alone, I love listening to podcasts with two people talking amongst themselves because they tend to go very deep and are very focused.
- mysterypie 10y ago
  Along those same lines, I never understood why bars and clubs have such loud music as to make conversation impossible. Especially if it's just canned music, so you're not there to listen. And especially more if the idea is to meet women (or guys). As far as I can determine, it's fashion. It's not that games and videos are intrinsically more enjoyable than conversation, or that people have more success meeting the opposite sex if talking is impossible (granted that it might work very well for some people). I think it's more of a culture/fashion thing and this can change over time.
  - gumby 10y ago
    According to a friend with a restaurant, quiet restaurants get worse reviews and people don't seem to enjoy themselves as much. Obviously there are exceptions, and some particularly expensive restaurants are pretty quiet (I have eaten at some of them with said friend and we have discussed this phenomenon).
    - eru 10y ago
      I also heard that louder places sell more alcoholic drinks?
      - jknoepfler 10y ago
        To reduce the boredom induced by not being able to have a conversation, no doubt
      - jfk13 10y ago
        Or, places that sell more alcoholic drinks tend to get louder?
        eru 10y ago
        I think there were some controlled experiments to answer that question.
      - MengerSponge 10y ago
        Yep. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008.00764.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008....
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    - jschwartzi 10y ago
      I think it has to do with the clientèle. At restaurants, you want to be around the buzz of conversation but not be unable to hear the people you're with, so restaurants where both are possible are better places. There's a sort of privacy within the crowd. Whereas at a dead quiet restaurant it's impossible to have a conversation of any depth because anyone at a neighboring table can hear it. At a club most people are there to drink a little and dance, and it's much easier to dance when the music and the bass are loud enough to make you forget yourself. If GP is looking for conversation over drinks, maybe go to a pub or something instead.
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    I've always understood it to be economics - people drink more in louder bars. But it might be fashion, too. It's what people expect the bar they want to go to to be. And maybe certain people don't go to a bar to talk, anyway.
  - MengerSponge 10y ago
    Loud music increases alcohol consumption. Bars and clubs are in the business of selling alcohol, so of course the music is really loud. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008.00764.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008....
  - Isamu 10y ago
    If you are struggling just to exchange a few sentences, suddenly the mindless wooden banter at the bar seems less pointless. It seems more like a real accomplishment.
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    I remember reading a study stating that the louder the music, the more refreshments get sold because people drink faster/more when they can't have a conversation. Quick google search: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2432699/Loud-music-in-bars-makes-customers-drink-more-say-scientists.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2432699/Loud-music-in-bars-m...
  - k-mcgrady 10y ago
    >> Along those same lines, I never understood why bars and clubs have such loud music as to make conversation impossible. Bars I can understand but the point of a club is the music/dancing. You go to a bar for some conversation before the club. Seems a lot of bars are becoming part-clubs though because that's what people want (local bars and pubs have been closing down pretty quickly in the last 10 years).
  - hashmal 10y ago
    for regular bars I don't know, but if you want to score at a club, talking is often a hindrance. a few looks and dancing is usually enough to get started, and the loud music can even be a pretext to go elsewhere.
- eru 10y ago
  As mxfh pointed out, these are guest-welcoming areas of rich people. Elite people in Germany (pretend to) not watch much TV. (I never owned a TV, within or without Germany.)
  - krzyk 10y ago
    In my circle of friends only minority has TVs, we are more of a Internet generation, TV lacks interactivity and limits selection. BTW. I'm not from Germany and never lived there.
    - santaclaus 10y ago
      Internet connectivity and screen size are fairly orthogonal.
      - throwaway287391 10y ago
        This. It's crazy to me that my entire generation loves to say "I don't own a TV" while staring at videos on their tiny laptops (or even phones) all day. You don't need cable or any other subscription to get a lot out of a TV.
        rconti 10y ago
        Similarly, I have a MASSIVE TV on my living room wall, but it's off most of the time. In these days of flat-screen TVs, very few concessions have to be made to have a large TV. It's not like when we needed huge entertainment centers to hold a television. It does not exist at the exclusion of anything (except money, I suppose). It doesn't take away from anything when it's off. It doesn't necessitate cable/satellite television (we have neither). To me, it's sort of like when people complain about Facebook/smartphones/24x7 connection to the office/whatever being an addiction and such a burden in their lives. shrug I use it to enhance my life, and when I don't want it, I don't partake. I don't invite people over often, but typically when friends are over we're not watching television or youtube videos, unless that's the point of the gathering (watch a sporting event together, or whatever).
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- linkmotif 10y ago
  Nothing like a television to make your room look garish! Or to ruin the potential to hang out or go on and do something else.
  - sotojuan 10y ago
    Agreed. I'd rather have a projector in the living room than a TV.
- rak00n 10y ago
  You made me curious. What are those podcasts?
- jackhack 10y ago
  >>they feel obligated to entertain instead of allowing one another to be he entertainment A most excellent pithy summary!! When I have friends over, we end up in my workshop or the kitchen or just sitting on the stairs by the front door, talking. I've tried to raise my kids to appreciate that, for adults, switching on a television or bringing out a cellphone while in the company of another is a rude gesture and a signal : "you bore me."
- mmanfrin 10y ago
  There is a distinction to be made between the living room and the family room. Family rooms tend to have TVs, and living rooms are for sitting+conversating. This is an article of clearly well-off households and their living rooms. Your mention of PS4 and tvs leads me to believe you're younger, and that your friends are perhaps not living in houses the size of those that the German upper/upper-middle class families whose homes are pictured. I don't think I know anyone in my own social circle who has both a family room and a living room, because the extra room is almost always turned in to another bedroom. e: Please continue the conversation, tell me what I had read wrong -- simply downvoting me is rude and unconstructive.
- hx87 10y ago
  In my experience it's a generational thing. I'm 29, and whenever I'm with people around my age sometimes the TV will be on, but only if we're actually watching or playing something. Otherwise the TV is off. Whenever I'm with people of my parents' generation though, the TV is always blaring even if they're not actually watching anything, and since they always watch live TV instead of streaming services the advertising is incredibly annoying.
  - ghaff 10y ago
    In years past when I'd be on group trips and sharing a room with one or more people, there were definitely those who would turn on the TV as soon as they walked into the room. Always drove me crazy to be honest. I'm certainly open to believing it's a generational thing. If you grew up watching whatever happened to be on I could see you more accustomed to TV-as-background than something you turned on to watch a specific thing. On the other hand, in airports/bars/etc. I see no shortage of TVs blaring today. Maybe this is driven by the preferences of an older generation but I'm a bit skeptical.
- eikenberry 10y ago
  > Having looked at some of the photos, one of the things that I notice is a lack of televisions[...] Living room == formal entertainment room (ie. no TV) Family room == casual family entertainment room (ie. TV) Source; 2 sets of German grandparents.
- nether 10y ago
  I stopped watching TV on a TV twenty years ago, but I watch enough Netflix/YouTube and read enough frivolous social news (including some HN stories) to more than make up for it.
mxfh 10y ago
Calling them living rooms is a bit of a misnomer for most of them, representational guest zone in uncommonly large apartments of the Berlin cultural elite might be a bit more honest description. The last two (Blechschmidt and Hubalek) might be actual living room arrangements.
- basseq 10y ago
  You mean you don't have a queen-sized chaise lounge in your 20-ft-ceilinged warehouse-style living room? And is that a stuffed leopard? (Angelika Blechschmidt)
  - mxfh 10y ago
    I live in Charlottenburg and I have a tiny indoor slide. Way more fun.
- zuzun 10y ago
  If you want something more down to earth, check out Freunde von Freunden [1]. They started in Berlin and most of the people they interview live in Berlin. They meet "friends of friends", interview them and take pictures of their homes. [1] http://www.freundevonfreunden.com http://www.freundevonfreunden.com
- TillE 10y ago
  I've visited dozens of apartments in Berlin during several searches (WG-Zimmer or Nachmieter), some fairly nice, and yeah...most people don't live like that. A lot of places have two or three bedrooms and no "living room".
- et-al 10y ago
  > Calling them living rooms is a bit of a misnomer for most of them Living room, family room, and den always confused me when I was a kid. In the States, "living room" means a more formal room for entertaining guests (coffee table with thick art monographs) and it'd often be adjacent to the dining room. In contrast, the "family room" or "den" are places where people would spend most of their time and that's where the television would be. Don't ask me how the room came to be called "living room" since most people don't spend much time there to the point that some houses would have the couches covered in plastic or bedsheets.
shaqbert 10y ago
Berliner here.... the sad truth is that most living rooms are dominated by Ikea furniture and are nowhere near like the stylish and classical ensembles presented in the article.
- fnord123 10y ago
  Yeah, and that Barcelona chair can't be an inexpensive yet faithful reproduction due to the dreadful European laws on furniture designs. It's a 5k piece on its own.
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  - et-al 10y ago
    Wait, please tell me more about these inexpensive yet faithful reproductions. Is there good place in Germany to find these?
    - fnord123 10y ago
      The UK used to allow inexpensive replicas. e.g. https://iconicinteriors.com/ https://iconicinteriors.com/ As seen in 10 Downing Street: http://www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/blogs/samcam-s-italian-lighting-for-10-downing-street http://www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/blogs/samcam-s-italian-... (Forgive me for the Daily Heil link): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2926668/A-real-power-breakfast-Sam-Cam-welcomes-families-No-10-cereal-launch-exhibition-charting-joys-challenges-raising-disabled-child.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2926668/A-real-pow... A law change is coming into effect now so all the UK retailers of this kind of stuff need to dump stock and go out of business. Otherwise, you can get them in the US but shipping will be eye watering.
  - Symbiote 10y ago
    Are they so dreadful? It's copyright of a design, and ultra-fancy furniture is hardly a necessity.
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saycheese 10y ago
If you found this story interesting, you might find this research interesting: "A room with a cue: personality judgments based on offices and bedrooms" [pdf] (utexas.edu) http://gosling.psy.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JPSP02-Roomwithacue.pdf http://gosling.psy.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JPS...
- skosch 10y ago
  ... and if you prefer something a bit more juicy and judgmental, there's Fussell's "Class" (https://books.google.ca/books?id=aPbF1kuayJYC&lpg=PP1&dq=class%20american%20guide&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=class%20american%20guide&f=false https://books.google.ca/books?id=aPbF1kuayJYC&lpg=PP1&dq=cla...)
bogomipz 10y ago
The article mentions: >"East Berlin had Alexanderplatz; West Berlin had Europa Center ..." I know Alexanderplatz but can someone tell me where is/was Europa Center?
- heinrich5991 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa-Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa-Center
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    Now I feel silly, Charlottenburg, thanks.
- hazelnut 10y ago
  also Kuh-Damm
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    Do Berliners still refer to it as Europa Center or something else?
bensun13 10y ago
In the fourth paragraph he mentions Charlottenberg. The actual name is Charlottenburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg).
- christop 10y ago
  And they say it's been more than thirty years since the Berlin Wall came down…
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quakeguy 10y ago
No TVs is what i'm seeing here. And lots of books. I'm jealous of those vast spaces, i only have a tiny room in Berlin.

149 points by lermontov 10y ago

Having looked at some of the photos, one of the things that I notice is a lack of televisions which I see amongst sometimes with my friends. I find when I go to my friends living room with a PS4 and tv, we generally chat for a few minutes before diving into games or videos. Or if I go to another friends place, they feel obligated to entertain instead of allowing one another to be he entertainment. And while I certainly enjoy those moments around the tv, it feels less gratifying than talking amongst each other about the state of things and being deep within our conversations. Perhaps that's why when I'm alone, I love listening to podcasts with two people talking amongst themselves because they tend to go very deep and are very focused.

mysterypie 10y ago
Along those same lines, I never understood why bars and clubs have such loud music as to make conversation impossible. Especially if it's just canned music, so you're not there to listen. And especially more if the idea is to meet women (or guys). As far as I can determine, it's fashion. It's not that games and videos are intrinsically more enjoyable than conversation, or that people have more success meeting the opposite sex if talking is impossible (granted that it might work very well for some people). I think it's more of a culture/fashion thing and this can change over time.
- gumby 10y ago
  According to a friend with a restaurant, quiet restaurants get worse reviews and people don't seem to enjoy themselves as much. Obviously there are exceptions, and some particularly expensive restaurants are pretty quiet (I have eaten at some of them with said friend and we have discussed this phenomenon).
  - eru 10y ago
    I also heard that louder places sell more alcoholic drinks?
    - jknoepfler 10y ago
      To reduce the boredom induced by not being able to have a conversation, no doubt
    - jfk13 10y ago
      Or, places that sell more alcoholic drinks tend to get louder?
      - eru 10y ago
        I think there were some controlled experiments to answer that question.
    - MengerSponge 10y ago
      Yep. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008.00764.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008....
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  - jschwartzi 10y ago
    I think it has to do with the clientèle. At restaurants, you want to be around the buzz of conversation but not be unable to hear the people you're with, so restaurants where both are possible are better places. There's a sort of privacy within the crowd. Whereas at a dead quiet restaurant it's impossible to have a conversation of any depth because anyone at a neighboring table can hear it. At a club most people are there to drink a little and dance, and it's much easier to dance when the music and the bass are loud enough to make you forget yourself. If GP is looking for conversation over drinks, maybe go to a pub or something instead.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  I've always understood it to be economics - people drink more in louder bars. But it might be fashion, too. It's what people expect the bar they want to go to to be. And maybe certain people don't go to a bar to talk, anyway.
- MengerSponge 10y ago
  Loud music increases alcohol consumption. Bars and clubs are in the business of selling alcohol, so of course the music is really loud. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008.00764.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2008....
- Isamu 10y ago
  If you are struggling just to exchange a few sentences, suddenly the mindless wooden banter at the bar seems less pointless. It seems more like a real accomplishment.
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  I remember reading a study stating that the louder the music, the more refreshments get sold because people drink faster/more when they can't have a conversation. Quick google search: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2432699/Loud-music-in-bars-makes-customers-drink-more-say-scientists.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2432699/Loud-music-in-bars-m...
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  >> Along those same lines, I never understood why bars and clubs have such loud music as to make conversation impossible. Bars I can understand but the point of a club is the music/dancing. You go to a bar for some conversation before the club. Seems a lot of bars are becoming part-clubs though because that's what people want (local bars and pubs have been closing down pretty quickly in the last 10 years).
- hashmal 10y ago
  for regular bars I don't know, but if you want to score at a club, talking is often a hindrance. a few looks and dancing is usually enough to get started, and the loud music can even be a pretext to go elsewhere.
eru 10y ago
As mxfh pointed out, these are guest-welcoming areas of rich people. Elite people in Germany (pretend to) not watch much TV. (I never owned a TV, within or without Germany.)
- krzyk 10y ago
  In my circle of friends only minority has TVs, we are more of a Internet generation, TV lacks interactivity and limits selection. BTW. I'm not from Germany and never lived there.
  - santaclaus 10y ago
    Internet connectivity and screen size are fairly orthogonal.
    - throwaway287391 10y ago
      This. It's crazy to me that my entire generation loves to say "I don't own a TV" while staring at videos on their tiny laptops (or even phones) all day. You don't need cable or any other subscription to get a lot out of a TV.
      - rconti 10y ago
        Similarly, I have a MASSIVE TV on my living room wall, but it's off most of the time. In these days of flat-screen TVs, very few concessions have to be made to have a large TV. It's not like when we needed huge entertainment centers to hold a television. It does not exist at the exclusion of anything (except money, I suppose). It doesn't take away from anything when it's off. It doesn't necessitate cable/satellite television (we have neither). To me, it's sort of like when people complain about Facebook/smartphones/24x7 connection to the office/whatever being an addiction and such a burden in their lives. shrug I use it to enhance my life, and when I don't want it, I don't partake. I don't invite people over often, but typically when friends are over we're not watching television or youtube videos, unless that's the point of the gathering (watch a sporting event together, or whatever).
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linkmotif 10y ago
Nothing like a television to make your room look garish! Or to ruin the potential to hang out or go on and do something else.
- sotojuan 10y ago
  Agreed. I'd rather have a projector in the living room than a TV.
rak00n 10y ago
You made me curious. What are those podcasts?
jackhack 10y ago
>>they feel obligated to entertain instead of allowing one another to be he entertainment A most excellent pithy summary!! When I have friends over, we end up in my workshop or the kitchen or just sitting on the stairs by the front door, talking. I've tried to raise my kids to appreciate that, for adults, switching on a television or bringing out a cellphone while in the company of another is a rude gesture and a signal : "you bore me."
mmanfrin 10y ago
There is a distinction to be made between the living room and the family room. Family rooms tend to have TVs, and living rooms are for sitting+conversating. This is an article of clearly well-off households and their living rooms. Your mention of PS4 and tvs leads me to believe you're younger, and that your friends are perhaps not living in houses the size of those that the German upper/upper-middle class families whose homes are pictured. I don't think I know anyone in my own social circle who has both a family room and a living room, because the extra room is almost always turned in to another bedroom. e: Please continue the conversation, tell me what I had read wrong -- simply downvoting me is rude and unconstructive.
hx87 10y ago
In my experience it's a generational thing. I'm 29, and whenever I'm with people around my age sometimes the TV will be on, but only if we're actually watching or playing something. Otherwise the TV is off. Whenever I'm with people of my parents' generation though, the TV is always blaring even if they're not actually watching anything, and since they always watch live TV instead of streaming services the advertising is incredibly annoying.
- ghaff 10y ago
  In years past when I'd be on group trips and sharing a room with one or more people, there were definitely those who would turn on the TV as soon as they walked into the room. Always drove me crazy to be honest. I'm certainly open to believing it's a generational thing. If you grew up watching whatever happened to be on I could see you more accustomed to TV-as-background than something you turned on to watch a specific thing. On the other hand, in airports/bars/etc. I see no shortage of TVs blaring today. Maybe this is driven by the preferences of an older generation but I'm a bit skeptical.
eikenberry 10y ago
> Having looked at some of the photos, one of the things that I notice is a lack of televisions[...] Living room == formal entertainment room (ie. no TV) Family room == casual family entertainment room (ie. TV) Source; 2 sets of German grandparents.
nether 10y ago
I stopped watching TV on a TV twenty years ago, but I watch enough Netflix/YouTube and read enough frivolous social news (including some HN stories) to more than make up for it.

mxfh 10y ago

Calling them living rooms is a bit of a misnomer for most of them, representational guest zone in uncommonly large apartments of the Berlin cultural elite might be a bit more honest description. The last two (Blechschmidt and Hubalek) might be actual living room arrangements.

basseq 10y ago
You mean you don't have a queen-sized chaise lounge in your 20-ft-ceilinged warehouse-style living room? And is that a stuffed leopard? (Angelika Blechschmidt)
- mxfh 10y ago
  I live in Charlottenburg and I have a tiny indoor slide. Way more fun.
zuzun 10y ago
If you want something more down to earth, check out Freunde von Freunden [1]. They started in Berlin and most of the people they interview live in Berlin. They meet "friends of friends", interview them and take pictures of their homes. [1] http://www.freundevonfreunden.com http://www.freundevonfreunden.com
TillE 10y ago
I've visited dozens of apartments in Berlin during several searches (WG-Zimmer or Nachmieter), some fairly nice, and yeah...most people don't live like that. A lot of places have two or three bedrooms and no "living room".
et-al 10y ago
> Calling them living rooms is a bit of a misnomer for most of them Living room, family room, and den always confused me when I was a kid. In the States, "living room" means a more formal room for entertaining guests (coffee table with thick art monographs) and it'd often be adjacent to the dining room. In contrast, the "family room" or "den" are places where people would spend most of their time and that's where the television would be. Don't ask me how the room came to be called "living room" since most people don't spend much time there to the point that some houses would have the couches covered in plastic or bedsheets.

shaqbert 10y ago

Berliner here.... the sad truth is that most living rooms are dominated by Ikea furniture and are nowhere near like the stylish and classical ensembles presented in the article.

fnord123 10y ago
Yeah, and that Barcelona chair can't be an inexpensive yet faithful reproduction due to the dreadful European laws on furniture designs. It's a 5k piece on its own.
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- et-al 10y ago
  Wait, please tell me more about these inexpensive yet faithful reproductions. Is there good place in Germany to find these?
  - fnord123 10y ago
    The UK used to allow inexpensive replicas. e.g. https://iconicinteriors.com/ https://iconicinteriors.com/ As seen in 10 Downing Street: http://www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/blogs/samcam-s-italian-lighting-for-10-downing-street http://www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/blogs/samcam-s-italian-... (Forgive me for the Daily Heil link): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2926668/A-real-power-breakfast-Sam-Cam-welcomes-families-No-10-cereal-launch-exhibition-charting-joys-challenges-raising-disabled-child.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2926668/A-real-pow... A law change is coming into effect now so all the UK retailers of this kind of stuff need to dump stock and go out of business. Otherwise, you can get them in the US but shipping will be eye watering.
- Symbiote 10y ago
  Are they so dreadful? It's copyright of a design, and ultra-fancy furniture is hardly a necessity.
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saycheese 10y ago

If you found this story interesting, you might find this research interesting: "A room with a cue: personality judgments based on offices and bedrooms" [pdf] (utexas.edu) http://gosling.psy.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JPSP02-Roomwithacue.pdf http://gosling.psy.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JPS...

skosch 10y ago
... and if you prefer something a bit more juicy and judgmental, there's Fussell's "Class" (https://books.google.ca/books?id=aPbF1kuayJYC&lpg=PP1&dq=class%20american%20guide&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=class%20american%20guide&f=false https://books.google.ca/books?id=aPbF1kuayJYC&lpg=PP1&dq=cla...)

bogomipz 10y ago

The article mentions: >"East Berlin had Alexanderplatz; West Berlin had Europa Center ..." I know Alexanderplatz but can someone tell me where is/was Europa Center?

heinrich5991 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa-Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa-Center
- bogomipz 10y ago
  Now I feel silly, Charlottenburg, thanks.
hazelnut 10y ago
also Kuh-Damm
- bogomipz 10y ago
  Do Berliners still refer to it as Europa Center or something else?

bensun13 10y ago

In the fourth paragraph he mentions Charlottenberg. The actual name is Charlottenburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg).

christop 10y ago
And they say it's been more than thirty years since the Berlin Wall came down…

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quakeguy 10y ago

No TVs is what i'm seeing here. And lots of books. I'm jealous of those vast spaces, i only have a tiny room in Berlin.