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I'm running a coding class right now that is almost entirely run over ssh on chromebooks to a linux server. Works beautifully. No fancy IDE, but lots of actual

I'm running a coding class right now that is almost entirely run over ssh on chromebooks to a linux server. Works beautifully. No fancy IDE, but lots of actual learning to code.

kaspiCZ 10y ago
Have you considered online tools such as Cloud9, replit etc.? If so, is the problem missing features, workflow or pricing?
- 0xCMP 10y ago
  Eclipse's Che is also very interesting. I hate the name, but it was super when I tried it.
- criddell 10y ago
  If I were teaching, I would definitely look at something like Cloud9. I'm in the process of going through Michael Hartl's Ruby on Rails tutorial based on Cloud9 and I'm blown away by how good it is.
- carussell 10y ago
  FWIW, amid the talk about Raspberry Pis, the (fully open) BeagleBone Black/Green has a default experience for casual-tinker-friendly programming where it spins up an on-board Cloud9 instance for the user to poke around. It's slightly more expensive than its Pi contemporary, but that's expected when everyone keeps flocking to the Pi and the alternative can't make use of the same volume discounts and self-fund engineering to put new board revisions out every year. And even for all that, it's a popular alternative—you're not left hanging out in no-man's land with some exotic hardware. Check the hackerboards.com surveys from over the years that show it trailing the Pi(s).
willvarfar 10y ago
Does X forwarding work? Or has someone got some kind of screen-scraping client that runs in a browser?
yoz-y 10y ago
I have never used chromeOS, does it have a terminal or is there some sort of ssh as a service?
- kevinnk 10y ago
  It has a built in terminal called crosh, which might have an SSH client built in (I'm not sure). What most people do is download a chrome extension like Secure Shell[1] that lets you ssh from a tab. [1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec...
  - fragmede 10y ago
    Sadly, ssh was removed from crosh just recently. crosh> ssh The 'ssh' command has been removed. Please install the official SSH extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo crosh>
- toast0 10y ago
  There's an ssh client in the chrome store($0, I think it's published by google). It runs as a chrome tab (one tab per connection), which means you do waste some screen space for browser UI that doesn't make sense, but it's workable.
  - jsolson 10y ago
    You can (or could, anyway) force it to open in a window (right click the app icon and select "open in window"). This allows you to go really fullscreen and fixes control keys (C-w works again rather than closing the tab).
- fragmede 10y ago
  There's a chrome extension by Google that provides a supported way to ssh on ChromeOS, from the device. There's limited support for SSH keys built in, and there's also a mosh extension. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec... (It's pretty easy to enable developer mode in order to allow unsigned code to run, and then Ubuntu/other Linux can run it in a chroot, though education/corporate deployments can/should prohibit that by policy, so isn't relevant to the larger discussion, though it means personal ChromeOS laptops can be quite functional.)
baldfat 10y ago
I have found that notebooks like Jupyter (http://jupyter.org http://jupyter.org) and especially JupyterHub (http://jupyterhub.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ http://jupyterhub.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) are made to teach languages with a REPL from the browser. > "With JupyterHub you can create a multi-user Hub which spawns, manages, and proxies multiple instances of the single-user Jupyter notebook server. Due to its flexibility and customization options, JupyterHub can be used to serve notebooks to a class of students, a corporate data science group, or a scientific research group." I have grown less and less fond of Python but I still use Jupyter with other languages and I have it running on my personal server.
vkou 10y ago
What are they writing code with? Is it lots of learning to code, or lots of fighting with vim? Or are you using a REPL?

I'm running a coding class right now that is almost entirely run over ssh on chromebooks to a linux server. Works beautifully. No fancy IDE, but lots of actual learning to code.

kaspiCZ 10y ago

Have you considered online tools such as Cloud9, replit etc.? If so, is the problem missing features, workflow or pricing?

0xCMP 10y ago
Eclipse's Che is also very interesting. I hate the name, but it was super when I tried it.
criddell 10y ago
If I were teaching, I would definitely look at something like Cloud9. I'm in the process of going through Michael Hartl's Ruby on Rails tutorial based on Cloud9 and I'm blown away by how good it is.
carussell 10y ago
FWIW, amid the talk about Raspberry Pis, the (fully open) BeagleBone Black/Green has a default experience for casual-tinker-friendly programming where it spins up an on-board Cloud9 instance for the user to poke around. It's slightly more expensive than its Pi contemporary, but that's expected when everyone keeps flocking to the Pi and the alternative can't make use of the same volume discounts and self-fund engineering to put new board revisions out every year. And even for all that, it's a popular alternative—you're not left hanging out in no-man's land with some exotic hardware. Check the hackerboards.com surveys from over the years that show it trailing the Pi(s).

willvarfar 10y ago

Does X forwarding work? Or has someone got some kind of screen-scraping client that runs in a browser?

yoz-y 10y ago

I have never used chromeOS, does it have a terminal or is there some sort of ssh as a service?

kevinnk 10y ago
It has a built in terminal called crosh, which might have an SSH client built in (I'm not sure). What most people do is download a chrome extension like Secure Shell[1] that lets you ssh from a tab. [1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec...
- fragmede 10y ago
  Sadly, ssh was removed from crosh just recently. crosh> ssh The 'ssh' command has been removed. Please install the official SSH extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo crosh>
toast0 10y ago
There's an ssh client in the chrome store($0, I think it's published by google). It runs as a chrome tab (one tab per connection), which means you do waste some screen space for browser UI that doesn't make sense, but it's workable.
- jsolson 10y ago
  You can (or could, anyway) force it to open in a window (right click the app icon and select "open in window"). This allows you to go really fullscreen and fixes control keys (C-w works again rather than closing the tab).
fragmede 10y ago
There's a chrome extension by Google that provides a supported way to ssh on ChromeOS, from the device. There's limited support for SSH keys built in, and there's also a mosh extension. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec... (It's pretty easy to enable developer mode in order to allow unsigned code to run, and then Ubuntu/other Linux can run it in a chroot, though education/corporate deployments can/should prohibit that by policy, so isn't relevant to the larger discussion, though it means personal ChromeOS laptops can be quite functional.)

baldfat 10y ago

I have found that notebooks like Jupyter (http://jupyter.org http://jupyter.org) and especially JupyterHub (http://jupyterhub.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ http://jupyterhub.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) are made to teach languages with a REPL from the browser. > "With JupyterHub you can create a multi-user Hub which spawns, manages, and proxies multiple instances of the single-user Jupyter notebook server. Due to its flexibility and customization options, JupyterHub can be used to serve notebooks to a class of students, a corporate data science group, or a scientific research group." I have grown less and less fond of Python but I still use Jupyter with other languages and I have it running on my personal server.

vkou 10y ago

What are they writing code with? Is it lots of learning to code, or lots of fighting with vim? Or are you using a REPL?