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Any free software OS can meet his requirements as they all are transparent to anyone with the time to learn, just like the older bikes. The problem with modern

Any free software OS can meet his requirements as they all are transparent to anyone with the time to learn, just like the older bikes. The problem with modern bikes is that all the advanced tech is proprietary and you have no way of understanding it or tinkering with it. IMO you can take any modern distro and strip it down to something understandable. It just takes some time to learn how to strip it down and how what's left works (and this is ongoing, as things are always changing). I'm not saying it's trivial, but neither is learning how to rebuild a motorcycle.

nickbauman 10y ago
Excellent extension to the original analogy.
SFJulie 10y ago
Just remove systemd that is looking like an electronic injection that now requires 4Gb of RAM and a full OS to work and screaming for more.
- moosingin3space 10y ago
  I don't normally get into these, but this is blatantly false, I'm running systemd on multiple older/smaller computers like an OG Raspberry Pi and an old netbook, and I don't even notice its memory consumption.
- tomc1985 10y ago
  We run systemd on 512mb celerons no problem...
  - voltagex_ 10y ago
    I'm sad that 512mb is now considered a small amount. I've got a couple of systems in my drawer that have <128mb.
    - lightedman 10y ago
      I still have my 75 MHz Pentium 12MB EDO RAM laptop running Windows 95 and holding my old BBS sitting in my drawer. Battery is shot but plug it in and it still works.
    - AsyncAwait 10y ago
      systemd works fine even on the RPi.
- eikenberry 10y ago
  All systemd related processes (dbus, systemd-*, init, etc) running on my system are using < 25Mb of memory. So that is a bit excessive, even if exaggerating for effect.
  - fao_ 10y ago
    It shouldn't even need that much though. All PID 1 should do is load the rest of the system.
vram22 10y ago
>IMO you can take any modern distro and strip it down to something understandable. Or strip it up, so to speak, or rather, build it up. Referring to Linux From Scratch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

nickbauman 10y ago

Excellent extension to the original analogy.

SFJulie 10y ago

Just remove systemd that is looking like an electronic injection that now requires 4Gb of RAM and a full OS to work and screaming for more.

moosingin3space 10y ago
I don't normally get into these, but this is blatantly false, I'm running systemd on multiple older/smaller computers like an OG Raspberry Pi and an old netbook, and I don't even notice its memory consumption.
tomc1985 10y ago
We run systemd on 512mb celerons no problem...
- voltagex_ 10y ago
  I'm sad that 512mb is now considered a small amount. I've got a couple of systems in my drawer that have <128mb.
  - lightedman 10y ago
    I still have my 75 MHz Pentium 12MB EDO RAM laptop running Windows 95 and holding my old BBS sitting in my drawer. Battery is shot but plug it in and it still works.
  - AsyncAwait 10y ago
    systemd works fine even on the RPi.
eikenberry 10y ago
All systemd related processes (dbus, systemd-*, init, etc) running on my system are using < 25Mb of memory. So that is a bit excessive, even if exaggerating for effect.
- fao_ 10y ago
  It shouldn't even need that much though. All PID 1 should do is load the rest of the system.

vram22 10y ago

>IMO you can take any modern distro and strip it down to something understandable. Or strip it up, so to speak, or rather, build it up. Referring to Linux From Scratch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/