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Actual terrorists generally aren't deterred by the threat of prison. You're talking about people willing to blow themselves up; they're not worried about priso

by Arizhel 10y ago

Actual terrorists generally aren't deterred by the threat of prison. You're talking about people willing to blow themselves up; they're not worried about prison.

koolba 10y ago
I'm not saying it will deter them, I'm saying it's already a crime. There's nothing special about going after them for it. With our current volunteer system nothing stops a nut job from signing up. That's why they have psych exams and ongoing mental health monitoring. It's no different if you have a draft with everybody having to join. Heck, I'd bet you'd get less overall craziness (as a percentage) from the population of people that otherwise wouldn't join the armed forces.
- derefr 10y ago
  I wasn't positing psychosis; I was positing a spontaneous violent resistance movement forming as a rational response to conscription in otherwise mentally-healthy individuals: the same people who would draft-dodge, but angrier at the state and interested in seeing their country actually lose an unjust war. You know, like you'd feel if you were an Iraqi citizen under ISIS.
  - koolba 10y ago
    And I'm proposing that in the event that happens, we round up those domestic terrorists, give them a swift (but fair!) trial, lock them up, and finally throw away the key. You'll find little to no sympathy from most people, including your humble commenter, for domestic terrorism and treason.
    - Arizhel 10y ago
      So you think people in Mosul who refuse to fight for ISIS, and violently resist them, are traitors? Nice to know that you support terrorism. And before you try the "ISIS isn't a government" BS line, the same logic applies to German citizens in the 1930s-40s. Apparently you think Germans who refuse to fight for Hitler are traitors. Interesting what kind of values you support. I think people like you should be locked up and the key thrown away. Supporting mass murder is disgusting.
      - koolba 10y ago
        > So you think people in Mosul who refuse to fight for ISIS, and violently resist them, are traitors? > Nice to know that you support terrorism. > And before you try the "ISIS isn't a government" BS line, the same logic applies to German citizens in the 1930s-40s. I'm not the one in this thread defending domestic terrorism. And yes ISIS isn't a government so that doesn't apply. Quite the contrary, as ISIS the terrorists in your example so fighting back against them would be encouraged. > Apparently you think Germans who refuse to fight for Hitler are traitors. Well yes that's the definition of treason / being a traitor. You could say the same thing for Churchill/England, Roosevelt/USA,or Stalin/USSR. > Interesting what kind of values you support. I think people like you should be locked up and the key thrown away. Sounds like you don't particularly like freedom of speech either. To quote our great new president, "Sad!" > Supporting mass murder is disgusting. Damn straight. Though I fail to see how that's relevant or where anyone claimed it's not.

by Arizhel 10y ago

Actual terrorists generally aren't deterred by the threat of prison. You're talking about people willing to blow themselves up; they're not worried about prison.

koolba 10y ago

I'm not saying it will deter them, I'm saying it's already a crime. There's nothing special about going after them for it. With our current volunteer system nothing stops a nut job from signing up. That's why they have psych exams and ongoing mental health monitoring. It's no different if you have a draft with everybody having to join. Heck, I'd bet you'd get less overall craziness (as a percentage) from the population of people that otherwise wouldn't join the armed forces.

derefr 10y ago
I wasn't positing psychosis; I was positing a spontaneous violent resistance movement forming as a rational response to conscription in otherwise mentally-healthy individuals: the same people who would draft-dodge, but angrier at the state and interested in seeing their country actually lose an unjust war. You know, like you'd feel if you were an Iraqi citizen under ISIS.
- koolba 10y ago
  And I'm proposing that in the event that happens, we round up those domestic terrorists, give them a swift (but fair!) trial, lock them up, and finally throw away the key. You'll find little to no sympathy from most people, including your humble commenter, for domestic terrorism and treason.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    So you think people in Mosul who refuse to fight for ISIS, and violently resist them, are traitors? Nice to know that you support terrorism. And before you try the "ISIS isn't a government" BS line, the same logic applies to German citizens in the 1930s-40s. Apparently you think Germans who refuse to fight for Hitler are traitors. Interesting what kind of values you support. I think people like you should be locked up and the key thrown away. Supporting mass murder is disgusting.
    - koolba 10y ago
      > So you think people in Mosul who refuse to fight for ISIS, and violently resist them, are traitors? > Nice to know that you support terrorism. > And before you try the "ISIS isn't a government" BS line, the same logic applies to German citizens in the 1930s-40s. I'm not the one in this thread defending domestic terrorism. And yes ISIS isn't a government so that doesn't apply. Quite the contrary, as ISIS the terrorists in your example so fighting back against them would be encouraged. > Apparently you think Germans who refuse to fight for Hitler are traitors. Well yes that's the definition of treason / being a traitor. You could say the same thing for Churchill/England, Roosevelt/USA,or Stalin/USSR. > Interesting what kind of values you support. I think people like you should be locked up and the key thrown away. Sounds like you don't particularly like freedom of speech either. To quote our great new president, "Sad!" > Supporting mass murder is disgusting. Damn straight. Though I fail to see how that's relevant or where anyone claimed it's not.