> If enough of our customers ask us, maybe we'll eventually integrate kubernetes as an optional component I have agitated for a long time that it's silly to be

> If enough of our customers ask us, maybe we'll eventually integrate kubernetes as an optional component I have agitated for a long time that it's silly to be competing at the layer of orchestration - it's not a revenue-producing product on its own. I'd love to see more alignment here. At this point, the systems are very similar in a number of facets. We're wasting a lot of time copying features and ideas back-and-forth, when we could be pushing the state of the art forward faster.