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> But it's still losing in every web and office single threaded benchmark. Web and office? Single-threaded? Why are these benchmarks, specially in 2018?

matthewmacleod 10y ago
Because people still buy new computers and use those applications on them – that's why single-thread performance is (for the moment at least) still important. I do understand where you're coming from, but real-world performance is important, especially when that world is imperfect.
- floatboth 10y ago
  For these applications, any modern desktop CPU is enough, and enough is all you need for them. People browse the web and do office tasks just fine on tiny 10W "Ultrabook" CPUs.
  - contingencies 10y ago
    Just this week I bought three systems for PXE-boot office use at http://infinite-food.com/ http://infinite-food.com/ and settled on Kaby Lake G3950 dual core Celerons with integrated Intel HD graphics. Here in China a whole mini-ITX system (including case, 180W power supply, 8GB DDR4 2133 RAM, G3950 CPU, motherboard, keyboard and mouse but not screen) is ~USD$174 (inc. parts shipping). I think Intel's integrated GPUs are still very attractive at the lower end of the market.
- geezerjay 10y ago
  > Because people still buy new computers and use those applications on them – that's why single-thread performance is (for the moment at least) still important. That's a load of bullshit. No one ever complained that the web is unbrowsable or an excel spreadsheet is unworkable without a high-end boutique processor. Those benchmarks are simply a load of bullshit that evaluate something that is utterly irrelevant.
  - stolsvik 10y ago
    Hi geezerjay, I'm trying to find a way to contact you - I was wondering whether you could comment on a previous comment about used opterons for "Budget HPC": Where would I go to find this, and build myself such a rig? Links?
    - geezerjay 10y ago
      You can check ebay, where they are being sold for spare change. That's where I've bought mine.
drzaiusapelord 10y ago
Because enterprise sales dwarf consumer sales? Enterprise is replacing servers and workstations every 3 years. Your 7 year old home beater will run until it dies. With AMD's previous offerings, they benched well but ran like crap because so many applications are single-threaded. These single thread tests are important to know how these chips will work in real world scenarios. This is the data enterprise buyers want to hear. If AMD can match Intel at a much lower cost, expect enterprise buyers to switch.
hajile 10y ago
If single-threaded benchmarks didn't matter, then bulldozer would have easily won with its smaller, less efficient cores (it was actually best for a while at some very parallel workloads). That said, those numbers aren't particularly bad for a new CPU running un-optimized software. All the important software will be updated soon enough once the compilers are in order.

matthewmacleod 10y ago

Because people still buy new computers and use those applications on them – that's why single-thread performance is (for the moment at least) still important. I do understand where you're coming from, but real-world performance is important, especially when that world is imperfect.

floatboth 10y ago
For these applications, any modern desktop CPU is enough, and enough is all you need for them. People browse the web and do office tasks just fine on tiny 10W "Ultrabook" CPUs.
- contingencies 10y ago
  Just this week I bought three systems for PXE-boot office use at http://infinite-food.com/ http://infinite-food.com/ and settled on Kaby Lake G3950 dual core Celerons with integrated Intel HD graphics. Here in China a whole mini-ITX system (including case, 180W power supply, 8GB DDR4 2133 RAM, G3950 CPU, motherboard, keyboard and mouse but not screen) is ~USD$174 (inc. parts shipping). I think Intel's integrated GPUs are still very attractive at the lower end of the market.
geezerjay 10y ago
> Because people still buy new computers and use those applications on them – that's why single-thread performance is (for the moment at least) still important. That's a load of bullshit. No one ever complained that the web is unbrowsable or an excel spreadsheet is unworkable without a high-end boutique processor. Those benchmarks are simply a load of bullshit that evaluate something that is utterly irrelevant.
- stolsvik 10y ago
  Hi geezerjay, I'm trying to find a way to contact you - I was wondering whether you could comment on a previous comment about used opterons for "Budget HPC": Where would I go to find this, and build myself such a rig? Links?
  - geezerjay 10y ago
    You can check ebay, where they are being sold for spare change. That's where I've bought mine.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago

Because enterprise sales dwarf consumer sales? Enterprise is replacing servers and workstations every 3 years. Your 7 year old home beater will run until it dies. With AMD's previous offerings, they benched well but ran like crap because so many applications are single-threaded. These single thread tests are important to know how these chips will work in real world scenarios. This is the data enterprise buyers want to hear. If AMD can match Intel at a much lower cost, expect enterprise buyers to switch.

hajile 10y ago

If single-threaded benchmarks didn't matter, then bulldozer would have easily won with its smaller, less efficient cores (it was actually best for a while at some very parallel workloads). That said, those numbers aren't particularly bad for a new CPU running un-optimized software. All the important software will be updated soon enough once the compilers are in order.