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I don't know about the claim "Facebook is in a unique position to help prevent people from doing harm to themselves." Oh, Big Brother is our brother now? If ha

by jimmies 10y ago

I don't know about the claim "Facebook is in a unique position to help prevent people from doing harm to themselves." Oh, Big Brother is our brother now? If harm means physical harm, maybe -- or maybe not: apparently many people definitely thinks that facebook live is a popularity contest and start streaming their suicide on it [OP, and Google - 0]. Here, to understand why fb might be the reason people did that in the first place, you should ask if live streaming functionality is all that people wanted, then why streaming suicide attempts on youtube wasn't a (or, as big of a) problem? But I think on a more intricate level, harm also means slowly sinking, and being depressed, then to me, Facebook is a drug that does exactly that. There are studies which concluded that people are actually happier without fb [1]. Personally, I found that to be true: I feel depressed browsing the meaningless statuses of people bragging about trivial things or sharing political news. I find fb isn't even a platform that I can share "what's on my mind" (like it always prompts) anymore. Everything is tied to my real name with no other option. I can't share the stories at work because co-workers on facebook will see. I can't share anything about my relationship because our mutual friends will see, and my girlfriend gets pissed off. I can't share my good news because people will think I am a dick who want to brag. I can't share my bad news because people will get worried more than me. I can't share hobbies because my friends don't have the same hobby and they don't care, so no reaction, so I get depressed because no one cares. So all I can share is shitty vacation pictures with me smiling like an idiot, and inconsequential news. Those are the news that pleases everyone: The lowest denominator of me and everyone on fb. Fuck that. Also, I found out that my behavior on fb is extremely similar to an addiction behavior. That includes finding it not useful but keep coming back, repeatedly checking it for new stuff, coming back after deactivating. I used to think Facebook messenger was essential. Not until I found myself not reading the messages and don't care what people say in 1000s of groups I am in. I see that in my friends too, they left group without saying a word, it means FU, don't add me to stupid group chats again. How about events? People start not responding on event invites as well. So I decided enough was enough -- along with numerous ethical problems of facebook [2], fb does more harm than good to me. In the last couple of weeks, I have deleted my fb account. This time, I don't announce to people that I will be gone, I just silently deleted it. I had enough, I don't care who will miss me, thank you facebook. It is a lie: most of them don't, and if they or I do, we would already have each other's contact information. Beginning of 2017, I also swapped my top-of-the-line smartphone with a dumb phone, with little to no distraction. Data caps is no longer a problem, privacy is no longer a question (I just assume everyone hears), features is no longer a problem, losing of sleep is no longer a problem, apps definitely is no longer a problem, and I no longer question or have any problem when someone defriends me. I check my emails when I want. I come to people. I no longer have the urge to check my phone for facebook feed in the middle of the night. I lug around a big ass mirrorless camera that takes pictures not for likes and navigate by my instincts. I feel great. I feel productive. I feel creative. I feel freedom. I started commenting on websites that people don't know and care who the fuck I am. But they have the same hobbies and interests, so I feel connected, I feel togetherness. There is definitely more when I have less of facebook. 0: https://www.google.com/search?q=girl+live+streams+sucide+on+facebook https://www.google.com/search?q=girl+live+streams+sucide+on+... 1: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069841#s3 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... 2: https://stallman.org/facebook.html https://stallman.org/facebook.html

jondubois 10y ago
Facebook has both good and bad parts; unfortunately, the good part of FB (which helps people connect/stay in touch with each other) doesn't make any money, on the other hand, the bad part that incites jealousy, consumerism and depression is very lucrative. There is no better company to illustrate the problems of our current economic system than Facebook.
lawless123 10y ago
"why streaming suicide attempts on youtube wasn't a (or, as big of a) problem?" you would have less of captive audience on youtube. Do this on facebook and it just gets thrown in front of an audience of people you know.
M_Grey 10y ago
I've found Facebook almost comically easy to avoid since day one. The only thing that never changes is how intense the desire of people on Facebook to have me join them is, but their arguments never improve. The only friends I know still on FB are the ones who only ever used it to keep in touch with people halfway around the world, and nothing else. Even then, most of them have migrated to other services. Facebook is a crazy invasion of privacy, but you literally have to invite them in.
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  > Facebook is a crazy invasion of privacy, but you literally have to invite them in. Yep. I have my Facebook privacy settings cranked up to max, but I'm honestly not sure why I bother. My actual policy is "this is a public space, only put things here I'm happy to publicize", so there's really no privacy to invade.
  - M_Grey 10y ago
    That's the sane way to do it, definitely.
bbarn 10y ago
> Also, I found out that my behavior on fb is extremely similar to an addiction behavior. That includes finding it not useful but keep coming back, repeatedly checking it for new stuff, coming back after deactivating. It's also just like a drug in that it's at its most exciting and positive when you start using it. Initially everything is coming from everyone around when you sign up, and it's a few weeks to months before you're "settled in" and it becomes what you're describing. Glad I've been gone for several years now. I see my fiancee use it occasionally and it looks even more awful than I remember, constant scrolling and videos autoplaying. No thanks.

by jimmies 10y ago

jondubois 10y ago

Facebook has both good and bad parts; unfortunately, the good part of FB (which helps people connect/stay in touch with each other) doesn't make any money, on the other hand, the bad part that incites jealousy, consumerism and depression is very lucrative. There is no better company to illustrate the problems of our current economic system than Facebook.

lawless123 10y ago

"why streaming suicide attempts on youtube wasn't a (or, as big of a) problem?" you would have less of captive audience on youtube. Do this on facebook and it just gets thrown in front of an audience of people you know.

M_Grey 10y ago

I've found Facebook almost comically easy to avoid since day one. The only thing that never changes is how intense the desire of people on Facebook to have me join them is, but their arguments never improve. The only friends I know still on FB are the ones who only ever used it to keep in touch with people halfway around the world, and nothing else. Even then, most of them have migrated to other services. Facebook is a crazy invasion of privacy, but you literally have to invite them in.

Bartweiss 10y ago
> Facebook is a crazy invasion of privacy, but you literally have to invite them in. Yep. I have my Facebook privacy settings cranked up to max, but I'm honestly not sure why I bother. My actual policy is "this is a public space, only put things here I'm happy to publicize", so there's really no privacy to invade.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  That's the sane way to do it, definitely.

bbarn 10y ago

> Also, I found out that my behavior on fb is extremely similar to an addiction behavior. That includes finding it not useful but keep coming back, repeatedly checking it for new stuff, coming back after deactivating. It's also just like a drug in that it's at its most exciting and positive when you start using it. Initially everything is coming from everyone around when you sign up, and it's a few weeks to months before you're "settled in" and it becomes what you're describing. Glad I've been gone for several years now. I see my fiancee use it occasionally and it looks even more awful than I remember, constant scrolling and videos autoplaying. No thanks.