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That's completely not true because Kotlin has something near zero adoption. I have a Kotlin fanatic coworker so I know all about the manifold benefits of Kotlin

That's completely not true because Kotlin has something near zero adoption. I have a Kotlin fanatic coworker so I know all about the manifold benefits of Kotlin -- it sounds awesome. Never had a project OK'd to use it, probably never will. They obviously need a PR and marketing department; otherwise they end up being the CouchDB to XYZ's Mongo.

jankotek 10y ago
I usually hava Scala/Java debate before new project (or refactoring) is started. And here is Kotlin relevant. Kotlin is bundled with Intellij Idea. And Kotlin has smaller adoption barrier.
- WaxProlix 10y ago
  If you work with other teams, especially onprem or offshore teams, they use netbeans or some other piece of shit IDE. It's just a fact. They know J7, can be convinced to try J8, once read a blog that mentioned Scala, and don't know what the fuck Kotlin is.
  - curun1r 10y ago
    On the other hand, if you decide to use Kotlin, you'll post a job listing, get only a handful of candidates, and nearly all of them will be outstanding and the type of curious, driven engineer that you'd normally have to sift through a mountain of dime-a-dozen, uninspired Java hacks to find. It's not until you've had to hire Java devs that the mystery of why so many people feel the need to ask a question as facile as FizzBuzz becomes clear.
- pkolaczk 10y ago
  Scala is an official Intellij plugin as well. Installing it takes two clicks.
zem 10y ago
android development could well be kotlin's killer app. i'm seeing a lot more buzz about it there than anywhere else, especially since it promises a very low overhead over plain java, as contrasted with clojure and scala.
sandGorgon 10y ago
Kotlin has a much bigger adoption than scala actually - on Android. Literally everyone I know is moving Android dev to Kotlin. Android is arguably Kotlin's killer app and it is seriously good. The PR for Kotlin is /r/androiddev ;) OTOH Scala does not have a killer app.
- tutanchamun 10y ago
  Never heard/read of Spark, Kafka etc.?
  - sandGorgon 10y ago
    usage of spark/kafka is primarily in other languages than scala. Spark and Kafka itself are implemented in scala no doubt. Most spark projects that I have worked on have been in pure java or pyspark. And kafka has been .. well, everything from python to php to ruby.
afastow 10y ago
This is hyperbole, Kotlin has fine adoption considering it only went 1.0 a year ago. Exactly how many times could you have tried and been denied the ability to use it within a year? Spring is adding dedicated Kotlin support in 5.0 which is likely to give it a huge amount of credibility and make companies running on Spring more comfortable with adopting it.

jankotek 10y ago

I usually hava Scala/Java debate before new project (or refactoring) is started. And here is Kotlin relevant. Kotlin is bundled with Intellij Idea. And Kotlin has smaller adoption barrier.

WaxProlix 10y ago
If you work with other teams, especially onprem or offshore teams, they use netbeans or some other piece of shit IDE. It's just a fact. They know J7, can be convinced to try J8, once read a blog that mentioned Scala, and don't know what the fuck Kotlin is.
- curun1r 10y ago
  On the other hand, if you decide to use Kotlin, you'll post a job listing, get only a handful of candidates, and nearly all of them will be outstanding and the type of curious, driven engineer that you'd normally have to sift through a mountain of dime-a-dozen, uninspired Java hacks to find. It's not until you've had to hire Java devs that the mystery of why so many people feel the need to ask a question as facile as FizzBuzz becomes clear.
pkolaczk 10y ago
Scala is an official Intellij plugin as well. Installing it takes two clicks.

zem 10y ago

android development could well be kotlin's killer app. i'm seeing a lot more buzz about it there than anywhere else, especially since it promises a very low overhead over plain java, as contrasted with clojure and scala.

sandGorgon 10y ago

Kotlin has a much bigger adoption than scala actually - on Android. Literally everyone I know is moving Android dev to Kotlin. Android is arguably Kotlin's killer app and it is seriously good. The PR for Kotlin is /r/androiddev ;) OTOH Scala does not have a killer app.

tutanchamun 10y ago
Never heard/read of Spark, Kafka etc.?
- sandGorgon 10y ago
  usage of spark/kafka is primarily in other languages than scala. Spark and Kafka itself are implemented in scala no doubt. Most spark projects that I have worked on have been in pure java or pyspark. And kafka has been .. well, everything from python to php to ruby.

afastow 10y ago

This is hyperbole, Kotlin has fine adoption considering it only went 1.0 a year ago. Exactly how many times could you have tried and been denied the ability to use it within a year? Spring is adding dedicated Kotlin support in 5.0 which is likely to give it a huge amount of credibility and make companies running on Spring more comfortable with adopting it.