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I completely agree, and was halfway through writing a similar comment when I saw your post. I actively make choices for things like transit and food which redu

by kemayo 10y ago

I completely agree, and was halfway through writing a similar comment when I saw your post. I actively make choices for things like transit and food which reduce how much I have to think about tipping. I don't like having to judge someone's service, and decide how much it's appropriate to tip them based on some unwritten societal rule. The signal that hiding tips away sends is "the service provider is being compensated already", and if you want to make an extra effort to pay them more you can, but it's not required of you. I'm absolutely in favor of Uber/Lift charging whatever is necessary to pay their drivers properly. Similarly, I love no-tip restaurants which pay their servers and kitchen staff living wages.

jeffwass 10y ago
> I don't like having to judge someone's service, and decide how much it's appropriate to tip them based on some unwritten societal rule I use neither Uber nor Lyft, so may wrong here, but don't both services strongly encourage passengers to rate drivers based on the quality of the ride? Why is it awkward to judge someone based on a tip, but not on attribution of stars?
- kemayo 10y ago
  I didn't say the rating wasn't also awkward. Though that's sort or convenient in its way, once you understand its unwritten social rule, since that boils it down to me just having to make a snap decision of "was this ride bad enough that I want this driver to get fired? If so... 4 stars." (Yes, I think the 1-5 star rating scheme has its own notable flaws based on how Uber seems to use it.)
snowwrestler 10y ago
> I'm absolutely in favor of Uber/Lift charging whatever is necessary to pay their drivers properly. Ok, great, but they don't, so the practical effect of your stand against tipping is less money for these drivers. And why? Because you find it socially awkward? That's why it's better to have it in the app. You just get out of the car and it drives away. Then you select the tip in the app. Way better than Uber's system of "hand the driver some ones." > The signal that hiding tips away sends is "the service provider is being compensated already", and if you want to make an extra effort to pay them more you can, but it's not required of you. I agree that's the signal, but that doesn't mean it's true.
- kemayo 10y ago
  > I agree that's the signal, but that doesn't mean it's true. Eh, public transit it is, then. Not that this is a sacrifice for me. I also hate how chatty most Uber/Lyft drivers are, so I rarely use them anyway.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    Cool, I use public transit heavily (subway and buses) and I'm a fan.

by kemayo 10y ago

jeffwass 10y ago

> I don't like having to judge someone's service, and decide how much it's appropriate to tip them based on some unwritten societal rule I use neither Uber nor Lyft, so may wrong here, but don't both services strongly encourage passengers to rate drivers based on the quality of the ride? Why is it awkward to judge someone based on a tip, but not on attribution of stars?

kemayo 10y ago
I didn't say the rating wasn't also awkward. Though that's sort or convenient in its way, once you understand its unwritten social rule, since that boils it down to me just having to make a snap decision of "was this ride bad enough that I want this driver to get fired? If so... 4 stars." (Yes, I think the 1-5 star rating scheme has its own notable flaws based on how Uber seems to use it.)

snowwrestler 10y ago

> I'm absolutely in favor of Uber/Lift charging whatever is necessary to pay their drivers properly. Ok, great, but they don't, so the practical effect of your stand against tipping is less money for these drivers. And why? Because you find it socially awkward? That's why it's better to have it in the app. You just get out of the car and it drives away. Then you select the tip in the app. Way better than Uber's system of "hand the driver some ones." > The signal that hiding tips away sends is "the service provider is being compensated already", and if you want to make an extra effort to pay them more you can, but it's not required of you. I agree that's the signal, but that doesn't mean it's true.

kemayo 10y ago
> I agree that's the signal, but that doesn't mean it's true. Eh, public transit it is, then. Not that this is a sacrifice for me. I also hate how chatty most Uber/Lyft drivers are, so I rarely use them anyway.
- snowwrestler 10y ago
  Cool, I use public transit heavily (subway and buses) and I'm a fan.