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"Sessions last year had more than 25 conversations with foreign ambassadors as a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, including the British, Korean, J

by pj_mukh 10y ago

"Sessions last year had more than 25 conversations with foreign ambassadors as a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, including the British, Korean, Japanese, Polish, Indian, Chinese, Canadian, Australian and German ambassadors, in addition to Kislyak" Ehh, I probably buy this "I didn't meet him as a Trump surrogate" line(he was head of Senate Armed Services committee?), but this is exactly the kind of pointless reactionary conspiracy fueled pablum that the Trump campaign ran against Clinton. You made the bed, now lay in it.

skyrw 10y ago
Meeting with a government ambassador in your role as head of the Senate Armed Services committee and claiming you didn't talk about the election is a far cry from meeting with the Attorney General potentially set to potentially prosecute your wife and claiming you only discussed your grandchildren.
- pj_mukh 10y ago
  The problem here is that there is objectively no difference between the two scenarios you laid out (because there is no evidence either way). It is purely a matter of "optics" in both situations (trust or lack thereof), so your interpretation is wholly dependent on what other news about that particular person you've read.
  - skyrw 10y ago
    That's a fair assessment.
darkerside 10y ago
It's a good line, but then you read that none of the other members of the Armed Services Committee have confirmed contact with the Russian ambassador. It then reads a bit more like an excuse, albeit possibly an acceptable one. > The Washington Post contacted all 26 members of the 2016 Senate Armed Services Committee to see whether any lawmakers besides Sessions met with Kislyak in 2016. Of the 20 lawmakers who responded, every senator, including Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), said they did not meet with the Russian ambassador last year. The other lawmakers on the panel did not respond as of Wednesday evening.
- jmorphy88 10y ago
  Is speaking to the Russian ambassador somehow illegal? It seems that the accusations here are whether Sessions had contacts with Russia during his time as a Trump campaign surrogate. He did not. So it's not clear to me what the controversy is here.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Apparently speaking to any Russian in this political climate is illegal. At this rate they'll introduce a resolution soon enough that if you have eaten pierogi in the past 10 years you can't hold a public office. There are plenty of reasons why one would not disclose a meeting on a public record, from even forgetting it happened to the fact that having it in the open might jeopardise negotiations/operations/assets etc. It's much easier to get things done in many cases when they are shrouded by secrecy while people might not like it but if we need something from the Russians or want to send them a message sometimes it's best not to be done as an official state visit and vise versa. Every negotiation at some point started as a non-official meeting in the kitchen of some restaurant somewhere or a hotel lobby.
  - hype7 10y ago
    Of course speaking to them isn't illegal. Lying about it during a confirmation hearing? Now that's illegal.

by pj_mukh 10y ago

skyrw 10y ago

Meeting with a government ambassador in your role as head of the Senate Armed Services committee and claiming you didn't talk about the election is a far cry from meeting with the Attorney General potentially set to potentially prosecute your wife and claiming you only discussed your grandchildren.

pj_mukh 10y ago
The problem here is that there is objectively no difference between the two scenarios you laid out (because there is no evidence either way). It is purely a matter of "optics" in both situations (trust or lack thereof), so your interpretation is wholly dependent on what other news about that particular person you've read.
- skyrw 10y ago
  That's a fair assessment.

darkerside 10y ago

It's a good line, but then you read that none of the other members of the Armed Services Committee have confirmed contact with the Russian ambassador. It then reads a bit more like an excuse, albeit possibly an acceptable one. > The Washington Post contacted all 26 members of the 2016 Senate Armed Services Committee to see whether any lawmakers besides Sessions met with Kislyak in 2016. Of the 20 lawmakers who responded, every senator, including Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), said they did not meet with the Russian ambassador last year. The other lawmakers on the panel did not respond as of Wednesday evening.

jmorphy88 10y ago
Is speaking to the Russian ambassador somehow illegal? It seems that the accusations here are whether Sessions had contacts with Russia during his time as a Trump campaign surrogate. He did not. So it's not clear to me what the controversy is here.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Apparently speaking to any Russian in this political climate is illegal. At this rate they'll introduce a resolution soon enough that if you have eaten pierogi in the past 10 years you can't hold a public office. There are plenty of reasons why one would not disclose a meeting on a public record, from even forgetting it happened to the fact that having it in the open might jeopardise negotiations/operations/assets etc. It's much easier to get things done in many cases when they are shrouded by secrecy while people might not like it but if we need something from the Russians or want to send them a message sometimes it's best not to be done as an official state visit and vise versa. Every negotiation at some point started as a non-official meeting in the kitchen of some restaurant somewhere or a hotel lobby.
- hype7 10y ago
  Of course speaking to them isn't illegal. Lying about it during a confirmation hearing? Now that's illegal.