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I kind of want to have a development environment in Linux. I also like to game, so for that Windows (in non-vm) is better. So that's why I tried to go with WSL

I kind of want to have a development environment in Linux. I also like to game, so for that Windows (in non-vm) is better. So that's why I tried to go with WSL in the first place. But Virtualbox seamless is a nice middle ground between the two OS and I don't have to worry about things that haven't been implemented in WSL.

flukus 10y ago
Linux gaming has been improving rapidly lately, in another year I doubt windows will be necessary.
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  Biggest overstatement. Linux gaming, though becoming more possible, is nowhere near gaming on windows. Forget game availability, even most GPUs are not properly supported on most Linuxes.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > even most GPUs are not properly supported on most Linuxes This situation is rapidly changing too with ATI and intels OSS GPU drivers.
    - sz4kerto 10y ago
      Rapidly? How long since ATI/AMD has been talking about improving their drivers? A decade? No, if history is in any way predicting the future then these talks are completely hollow. Intel drivers are Ok though.
      - flukus 10y ago
        And now they've released OSS drivers, it's action now, not just talk.
    - Asooka 10y ago
      I've been hearing some variations on "getting better any time now" since about 2003. Stop trying to make the Linux Desktop happen. It's not going to happen. In fact, if you stop making it happen, maybe it will finally stabilise enough that it actually happens.
- Quppa 10y ago
  Given that the percentage of Steam users running Linux is declining, I'm not as optimistic as you. http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hwsurvey-February-2017 http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hwsurvey-Febr...
  - flukus 10y ago
    A 0.05% drop is well within the expected margin of error with a perfect statistical methodology and large sample size. The steam survey is opt in, it's a good rough guide but you can't read anything into month-month changes. Even if we generously agree that it's correct, how much has steam grown? A 0.05% drop could still be more total users than the previous month.
    - Quppa 10y ago
      The usage share was 0.97% at the end of 2015, 0.87% at the end of 2016 and 0.75% in the latest survey. This might still translate to a growing absolute number of Linux users, but it would be nice to see the momentum start going in the opposite direction when it comes to those percentages.
- kagamine 10y ago
  Not directly related to this thread but I want to have a little moan about the Steam client, so here goes: When I open Steam it opens in the Store view in the main window, and the promotions pop-up also appears with sales and promo info. Great, except that 90% of the time the main store page and the pop-up are pushing Windows only games. I game on an iMac and occasionally on a Linux laptop. I have never bought a Windows only game. I send survey info to Valve. If Linux (and Mac) gaming is to grow Valve need to try harder to get the games into my field of vision. It's silly that I click on the details button of the promo pop-up for a whole series of games only to scroll through the list and mutter "windoes only" to myself repeatedly. It simply is not content aimed at me at all, and they know who I am and the platform I am using.
  - jon-wood 10y ago
    Its ridiculous that they don't just pick this up automatically but you can specify what you're interested in from your profile preferences on the Steam store. My recommended games became so much more useful once I turned off early access games and filtered out open world survival and zombie games.
  - Kostic 10y ago
    AFAIK, you can disable the the pop-up and you can set which page should be opened by default. Steam > Settings > Interface.
    - kagamine 10y ago
      So have the consumer do the work that should be done by the for-profit company whose job is to sell, market and profit. I believe the burden of work lies with Valve, I don't need more games, it's up to Valve to sell them to me.
snuxoll 10y ago
That's the reason behind using a remote interpreter, unless there is some other benefit to running your IDE in the same OS as your code I'm missing. Your IDE stays on whatever system you want to use, your code gets executed in your VM. 99% of the time I'm working natively in Fedora when I'm working on code these days (unless I have to do .Net or other MS stuff, Windows goes in a VM for that) - but before I could make that switch I ran PyCharm/IntelliJ/etc. on Windows and just had a headless Fedora or CentOS VM that PyCharm ran my code in.

flukus 10y ago

Linux gaming has been improving rapidly lately, in another year I doubt windows will be necessary.

dingo_bat 10y ago
Biggest overstatement. Linux gaming, though becoming more possible, is nowhere near gaming on windows. Forget game availability, even most GPUs are not properly supported on most Linuxes.
- flukus 10y ago
  > even most GPUs are not properly supported on most Linuxes This situation is rapidly changing too with ATI and intels OSS GPU drivers.
  - sz4kerto 10y ago
    Rapidly? How long since ATI/AMD has been talking about improving their drivers? A decade? No, if history is in any way predicting the future then these talks are completely hollow. Intel drivers are Ok though.
    - flukus 10y ago
      And now they've released OSS drivers, it's action now, not just talk.
  - Asooka 10y ago
    I've been hearing some variations on "getting better any time now" since about 2003. Stop trying to make the Linux Desktop happen. It's not going to happen. In fact, if you stop making it happen, maybe it will finally stabilise enough that it actually happens.
Quppa 10y ago
Given that the percentage of Steam users running Linux is declining, I'm not as optimistic as you. http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hwsurvey-February-2017 http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hwsurvey-Febr...
- flukus 10y ago
  A 0.05% drop is well within the expected margin of error with a perfect statistical methodology and large sample size. The steam survey is opt in, it's a good rough guide but you can't read anything into month-month changes. Even if we generously agree that it's correct, how much has steam grown? A 0.05% drop could still be more total users than the previous month.
  - Quppa 10y ago
    The usage share was 0.97% at the end of 2015, 0.87% at the end of 2016 and 0.75% in the latest survey. This might still translate to a growing absolute number of Linux users, but it would be nice to see the momentum start going in the opposite direction when it comes to those percentages.
kagamine 10y ago
Not directly related to this thread but I want to have a little moan about the Steam client, so here goes: When I open Steam it opens in the Store view in the main window, and the promotions pop-up also appears with sales and promo info. Great, except that 90% of the time the main store page and the pop-up are pushing Windows only games. I game on an iMac and occasionally on a Linux laptop. I have never bought a Windows only game. I send survey info to Valve. If Linux (and Mac) gaming is to grow Valve need to try harder to get the games into my field of vision. It's silly that I click on the details button of the promo pop-up for a whole series of games only to scroll through the list and mutter "windoes only" to myself repeatedly. It simply is not content aimed at me at all, and they know who I am and the platform I am using.
- jon-wood 10y ago
  Its ridiculous that they don't just pick this up automatically but you can specify what you're interested in from your profile preferences on the Steam store. My recommended games became so much more useful once I turned off early access games and filtered out open world survival and zombie games.
- Kostic 10y ago
  AFAIK, you can disable the the pop-up and you can set which page should be opened by default. Steam > Settings > Interface.
  - kagamine 10y ago
    So have the consumer do the work that should be done by the for-profit company whose job is to sell, market and profit. I believe the burden of work lies with Valve, I don't need more games, it's up to Valve to sell them to me.

snuxoll 10y ago

That's the reason behind using a remote interpreter, unless there is some other benefit to running your IDE in the same OS as your code I'm missing. Your IDE stays on whatever system you want to use, your code gets executed in your VM. 99% of the time I'm working natively in Fedora when I'm working on code these days (unless I have to do .Net or other MS stuff, Windows goes in a VM for that) - but before I could make that switch I ran PyCharm/IntelliJ/etc. on Windows and just had a headless Fedora or CentOS VM that PyCharm ran my code in.