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> Geo-engineering projects could not > come too soon And also, treating climate-change deniers like a cross between holocaust deniers and flat-earthers ca

> Geo-engineering projects could not > come too soon And also, treating climate-change deniers like a cross between holocaust deniers and flat-earthers can't come soon enough.

gydfi 10y ago
Right, because of all that obvious evidence of stuff that hasn't happened yet but might.
- MaysonL 10y ago
  All that evidence that hasn't nappened yet, like Arctic ice melting, drunken trees, pest and other plant and animal ranges moving poleward and upward, growing seasons starting earlier in spring, etc. Oh wait, those have happened…
enraged_camel 10y ago
Yep. We also need to start treating people who don't believe in anthroponegic global warming the same as regular climate change deniers. Because at the end of the day both groups fight against efforts to curtail global warming.
refurb 10y ago
Jesus! I'm glad people don't take that stand in other areas of science. If we did that 20 years ago we never would have found out that ulcers are caused by bacteria. "Ulcers aren't caused by stress, they are caused by bacteria!" "Heresy!! String him up!!!"
- peteretep 10y ago
  Bacteria-ulcers weren't proven by people who really really really wanted them to be true, they were proven by a doctor, using (fairly unconventional) scientific methods. If you've got compelling historical sources for holocaust denial or compelling scientific evidence against climate change, let's see it.
  - refurb 10y ago
    or compelling scientific evidence against climate change Oh please. No one would even try in this political climate. As you said "don't believe in climate change? you are a nazi".
    - peteretep 10y ago
      > No one would even try in > this political climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_th...
    - hyperbovine 10y ago
      Nice try. Scientific evidence, please?
  - Udik 10y ago
    The problem is that there are lots of people that really really want climate change (or rather its effects) to be true. Just look here in this thread people willing to swear that hurricane activity has increased due to global warming, while there is no evidence yet that this has happened ( https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ ). Before your automatic downvote, I'm not denying climate change and some of its future effects (maybe even catastrophic). But the fact that it's happening doesn't explain or justify why people seem so eager to see its effects in everything even without a scientific proof whatsoever.
    - peteretep 10y ago
      If the problem is that that makes other people ignore overwhelming scientific evidence, those ignoring the evidence are no less dangerous and ignorant.
sien 10y ago
So about 50% of US citizens you would treat like holocaust deniers/flat-earthers? http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climate-change-and-climate-scientists/ http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climat...
- dleslie 10y ago
  Yes, absolutely.
  - brokenmasonjars 10y ago
    This would only allow them to win more elections and retain power for longer. Instead include them in discussions; try to socialize them. Don't talk down to them as they will move away from the discussion and purposefully remain ignorant and vote on such feelings of wrong and vengeance that emerges from ridiculing them. Have we learned nothing from Trump's victory? If so, get ready for two terms.
    - dleslie 10y ago
      I'm not American; I have been embittered by the influence the USA has on our world and the relative lack of agency in influencing American actions that the rest of the world exhibits. I'm ready for another two terms; from the outside looking in I expected continuance of the bombs dropping, the climate talks to continue to end in toothless agreements, the off-shoring of abysmal labour conditions to continue unabated, and so forth, regardless of whether your executive wore red or blue. Please give me reason for hope, because we need it.
      - brokenmasonjars 10y ago
        I too would suspect Bernie Sanders would have had some military events. I'm not saying either side is perfect. I am saying that shouting down at one group is not going to solve the problem. Especially if half the nation doesn't believe in climate change and typically more apt to vote than their liberal counterparts.
programmernews3 10y ago
We also need to treat people that ignore evidence of racial differences the same then. It is obvious to see - marathon runners, sprinters, etc
- peteretep 10y ago
  We don't ignore it. There's just not very much high quality evidence, and — unlike climate change — knowing that the distribution curve for blue vs green people is shifted over 5 IQ points gives virtually nobody any actionable information. Generally, in fact, it's leapt upon by people who don't understand the evidence or enough statistics as a cover for their prejudice.
- scatters 10y ago
  What's so supposedly obvious? The best sprinters and marathon runners both are "black" according to conventional racial categorization. If you want to tell whether someone is likely to be a good sprinter, looking at their "race" alone is practically useless.
marknutter 10y ago
Behold the death of science.

> Geo-engineering projects could not > come too soon And also, treating climate-change deniers like a cross between holocaust deniers and flat-earthers can't come soon enough.

gydfi 10y ago

Right, because of all that obvious evidence of stuff that hasn't happened yet but might.

MaysonL 10y ago
All that evidence that hasn't nappened yet, like Arctic ice melting, drunken trees, pest and other plant and animal ranges moving poleward and upward, growing seasons starting earlier in spring, etc. Oh wait, those have happened…

enraged_camel 10y ago

Yep. We also need to start treating people who don't believe in anthroponegic global warming the same as regular climate change deniers. Because at the end of the day both groups fight against efforts to curtail global warming.

refurb 10y ago

Jesus! I'm glad people don't take that stand in other areas of science. If we did that 20 years ago we never would have found out that ulcers are caused by bacteria. "Ulcers aren't caused by stress, they are caused by bacteria!" "Heresy!! String him up!!!"

peteretep 10y ago
Bacteria-ulcers weren't proven by people who really really really wanted them to be true, they were proven by a doctor, using (fairly unconventional) scientific methods. If you've got compelling historical sources for holocaust denial or compelling scientific evidence against climate change, let's see it.
- refurb 10y ago
  or compelling scientific evidence against climate change Oh please. No one would even try in this political climate. As you said "don't believe in climate change? you are a nazi".
  - peteretep 10y ago
    > No one would even try in > this political climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_th...
  - hyperbovine 10y ago
    Nice try. Scientific evidence, please?
- Udik 10y ago
  The problem is that there are lots of people that really really want climate change (or rather its effects) to be true. Just look here in this thread people willing to swear that hurricane activity has increased due to global warming, while there is no evidence yet that this has happened ( https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ ). Before your automatic downvote, I'm not denying climate change and some of its future effects (maybe even catastrophic). But the fact that it's happening doesn't explain or justify why people seem so eager to see its effects in everything even without a scientific proof whatsoever.
  - peteretep 10y ago
    If the problem is that that makes other people ignore overwhelming scientific evidence, those ignoring the evidence are no less dangerous and ignorant.

sien 10y ago

So about 50% of US citizens you would treat like holocaust deniers/flat-earthers? http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climate-change-and-climate-scientists/ http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climat...

dleslie 10y ago
Yes, absolutely.
- brokenmasonjars 10y ago
  This would only allow them to win more elections and retain power for longer. Instead include them in discussions; try to socialize them. Don't talk down to them as they will move away from the discussion and purposefully remain ignorant and vote on such feelings of wrong and vengeance that emerges from ridiculing them. Have we learned nothing from Trump's victory? If so, get ready for two terms.
  - dleslie 10y ago
    I'm not American; I have been embittered by the influence the USA has on our world and the relative lack of agency in influencing American actions that the rest of the world exhibits. I'm ready for another two terms; from the outside looking in I expected continuance of the bombs dropping, the climate talks to continue to end in toothless agreements, the off-shoring of abysmal labour conditions to continue unabated, and so forth, regardless of whether your executive wore red or blue. Please give me reason for hope, because we need it.
    - brokenmasonjars 10y ago
      I too would suspect Bernie Sanders would have had some military events. I'm not saying either side is perfect. I am saying that shouting down at one group is not going to solve the problem. Especially if half the nation doesn't believe in climate change and typically more apt to vote than their liberal counterparts.

programmernews3 10y ago

We also need to treat people that ignore evidence of racial differences the same then. It is obvious to see - marathon runners, sprinters, etc

peteretep 10y ago
We don't ignore it. There's just not very much high quality evidence, and — unlike climate change — knowing that the distribution curve for blue vs green people is shifted over 5 IQ points gives virtually nobody any actionable information. Generally, in fact, it's leapt upon by people who don't understand the evidence or enough statistics as a cover for their prejudice.
scatters 10y ago
What's so supposedly obvious? The best sprinters and marathon runners both are "black" according to conventional racial categorization. If you want to tell whether someone is likely to be a good sprinter, looking at their "race" alone is practically useless.

marknutter 10y ago

Behold the death of science.