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Were I in charge of NRA advertising, I would consider my ad running along a gun-violence-awareness campaign to be a misfire, akin to running a smoking ad alongs

Were I in charge of NRA advertising, I would consider my ad running along a gun-violence-awareness campaign to be a misfire, akin to running a smoking ad alongside a story about smoking-induced lung cancer or a Coke ad alongside a story about Crystal Pepsi coming back.

krapp 10y ago
Gun violence is the best recruitment tool the NRA has. When someone shoots up a school in the US, NRA membership goes up (as do gun sales.)
- jonnycoder 10y ago
  No, democrats using a shooting event to blame guns and call for bans and stricter gun control causes gun sales and membership to go up. Obama has been the best gun salesman for the United States ever.
  - krapp 10y ago
    You're just repeating my point, but applying a predictable anti-liberal bias. >Obama has been the best gun salesman for the United States ever. Because of all the extremist gun control legislation he passed? No, wait.. people just believed Obama was coming for their guns but he never actually did that. It's almost as if people have been trained to respond to gun violence by supporting the NRA and buying guns ... in some sort of Pavlovian response. But I can't imagine what organization or industry could possibly have spent decades and millions of dollars in political capital engineering such a virtuous cycle for themselves.
    - madengr 10y ago
      If Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and other ilk had their way, there would be guns bans and confiscation. Intent is 9/10 of the law.
      - krapp 10y ago
        The weird thing though, is they did have their way, and that didn't happen.
        madengr 10y ago
        No they didn't have their way. several draconian bills never made it out of comitee.
        krapp 10y ago
        Fair enough, then. Which bills? I still don't know why the political process working as intended justifies the degree of paranoia that leads to mass stockpiling of guns and ammunition, though. Or why that paranoia manifests behind all gun control legislation, not just the "draconian" attempts which fail.
        madengr 10y ago
        https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/how-many-gun-control-proposals-have-been-offered-since-2011/ https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/how-many...
        krapp 10y ago
        That article's thesis appears to be that nearly all attempts at gun control legislation, including those by Republicans, fail regardless of their intent because of the political and lobbying influence of the NRA. I don't see evidence of the "draconian" bills you mentioned, or of nefarious intent by "Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and other ilk."
        madengr 10y ago
        https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269... https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/691 https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/691 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/senate-gun-control-no-fly-list-terrorism.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/senate-gun-co...

krapp 10y ago

Gun violence is the best recruitment tool the NRA has. When someone shoots up a school in the US, NRA membership goes up (as do gun sales.)

jonnycoder 10y ago
No, democrats using a shooting event to blame guns and call for bans and stricter gun control causes gun sales and membership to go up. Obama has been the best gun salesman for the United States ever.
- krapp 10y ago
  You're just repeating my point, but applying a predictable anti-liberal bias. >Obama has been the best gun salesman for the United States ever. Because of all the extremist gun control legislation he passed? No, wait.. people just believed Obama was coming for their guns but he never actually did that. It's almost as if people have been trained to respond to gun violence by supporting the NRA and buying guns ... in some sort of Pavlovian response. But I can't imagine what organization or industry could possibly have spent decades and millions of dollars in political capital engineering such a virtuous cycle for themselves.
  - madengr 10y ago
    If Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and other ilk had their way, there would be guns bans and confiscation. Intent is 9/10 of the law.
    - krapp 10y ago
      The weird thing though, is they did have their way, and that didn't happen.
      - madengr 10y ago
        No they didn't have their way. several draconian bills never made it out of comitee.
        krapp 10y ago
        Fair enough, then. Which bills? I still don't know why the political process working as intended justifies the degree of paranoia that leads to mass stockpiling of guns and ammunition, though. Or why that paranoia manifests behind all gun control legislation, not just the "draconian" attempts which fail.
        madengr 10y ago
        https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/how-many-gun-control-proposals-have-been-offered-since-2011/ https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/how-many...
        krapp 10y ago
        That article's thesis appears to be that nearly all attempts at gun control legislation, including those by Republicans, fail regardless of their intent because of the political and lobbying influence of the NRA. I don't see evidence of the "draconian" bills you mentioned, or of nefarious intent by "Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and other ilk."
        madengr 10y ago
        https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269... https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/691 https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/691 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/senate-gun-control-no-fly-list-terrorism.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/senate-gun-co...