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> paying low-skilled workers small money just because they are easily replaceable is unethical. Sounds like you would feel right at home in socialist Scandina

> paying low-skilled workers small money just because they are easily replaceable is unethical. Sounds like you would feel right at home in socialist Scandinavia. Here the salary of a dishwasher is roughly equal to that of a RN, but the RN has student debts to pay off. And the unemployeed refugee makes almost as much on the dole. All this good for a mere 25%VAT and 35-65% income tax. Welcome.

vkou 10y ago
> And the unemployeed refugee makes almost as much on the dole. For how long are they eligible to stay on the dole? Exactly how much are they receiving? Oh, right, they are getting ~$250/month. [1] They are living like kings at your expense! Curse the 65% income tax. [2] Except that it's an, uh, 56% income tax. But what's another 9% when it comes to complaining about taxes... [1] http://www.thelocal.se/20160104/why-do-refugees-prefer-sweden-to-denmark http://www.thelocal.se/20160104/why-do-refugees-prefer-swede... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden#Income_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden#Income_tax
bonzini 10y ago
Is RN a nurse? Is there such a thing as student debt in most of Europe, even, unless you want to go abroad or attend super expensive private universities (and a nurse would do neither, I suppose)? Certainly not the same order of magnitude as US student debt (IIRC median is 20,000 and average is higher).
- vkou 10y ago
  As far as I understand residence, being a RN means working like a dog for essentially no pay - in any country, be it Sweeden, Canada, the United States, or China. Pointing at a RN to make an economic point is like pointing at the Wall Street interns pulling 130 hour weeks for lunch money as an example of how the poor financial industry is overworked, and underpaid.
- spand 10y ago
  In Denmark its not strictly necessary but many do so they can afford an apartment instead living in a dorm and/or more expensive lifestyle. Its cheap money though. After education its only the the states lending rate + 1%.
nollbit 10y ago
The _entry_ salary for a RN in Sweden is about 25k SEK per month . The _median_ salary for a dishwasher is 17k. The rest of your statements are about as factual as that one.

vkou 10y ago

> And the unemployeed refugee makes almost as much on the dole. For how long are they eligible to stay on the dole? Exactly how much are they receiving? Oh, right, they are getting ~$250/month. [1] They are living like kings at your expense! Curse the 65% income tax. [2] Except that it's an, uh, 56% income tax. But what's another 9% when it comes to complaining about taxes... [1] http://www.thelocal.se/20160104/why-do-refugees-prefer-sweden-to-denmark http://www.thelocal.se/20160104/why-do-refugees-prefer-swede... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden#Income_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden#Income_tax

bonzini 10y ago

Is RN a nurse? Is there such a thing as student debt in most of Europe, even, unless you want to go abroad or attend super expensive private universities (and a nurse would do neither, I suppose)? Certainly not the same order of magnitude as US student debt (IIRC median is 20,000 and average is higher).

vkou 10y ago
As far as I understand residence, being a RN means working like a dog for essentially no pay - in any country, be it Sweeden, Canada, the United States, or China. Pointing at a RN to make an economic point is like pointing at the Wall Street interns pulling 130 hour weeks for lunch money as an example of how the poor financial industry is overworked, and underpaid.
spand 10y ago
In Denmark its not strictly necessary but many do so they can afford an apartment instead living in a dorm and/or more expensive lifestyle. Its cheap money though. After education its only the the states lending rate + 1%.

nollbit 10y ago

The _entry_ salary for a RN in Sweden is about 25k SEK per month . The _median_ salary for a dishwasher is 17k. The rest of your statements are about as factual as that one.