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How do you explain the IQ difference between, say, American whites and blacks? They should have similar parasite load and nutritional status.

ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
Thirty Years of Research On Race Difference in Cognitive Ability, aggregates over a dozen studies from the past few decades, looking at everything from twins raised in different environments, the effects of adoption, location of the population, etc, using everything from multiple IQ tests to the ASVAB. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jense... Its worth reading and answers your question, while refuting the OP above
- nabla9 10y ago
  I never claimed that there is no differences between ethnic groups. I suggested looking and comparing the magnitudes between different factors and putting them into order of importance. We know that taller people have higher intelligence than shorter people on average [1]. Compare effect sizes between black and whites and tall and short white males. Now ask if the difference between ethnic groups is important or not. [1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence ps. 90% of genetic variance in human races exists in the African continent. If we clean out all environmental factors, the "smart genes" are probably in Africa. We just need to find them and distribute them.
  - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
    Taller people have higher intelligence than shorter people on average because, brain size is positively correlated with height, and brain size is positively correlated with IQ. >Studies on over 700 participants show that individuals with larger brain volumes have higher IQ scores. About two dozen studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to measure the volume of the human brain have found an overall correlation with IQ of greater than .40 >Within each race, cranial capacity correlated with IQ scores. By age 7, the Asian American children averaged an IQ of 110; the White children, 102; and the Black children 90. Because the Asian American children were the shortest in stature and the lightest in weight while the Black children were the tallest in stature and the heaviest in weight, these average race differences in brain-size/IQ relations were not due to body size. >Overall, MRI studies show that brain size is related to IQ differences within race. Moreover, the three-way pattern of group differences in average brain size is detectable at birth. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jense...
    - nthcolumn 10y ago
      Masai people must be super clever and Finnish people too. It must be true because I know a lot of really clever Dutch people and they are all really tall! Chinese people must be really stupid. I am so glad you gave me this insight. I am tall and I feel great now.
      - redsummer 10y ago
        Perhaps the NBA is an untapped source of nuclear physicists.
        FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
        Yao Ming cracked cold fusion years ago!
      - Wildgoose 10y ago
        He/she is quoting "these average race differences in brain-size/IQ relations were not due to body size", i.e. it is an average within a population group rather than amongst population groups so you appear to be making and attacking a straw man argument.
  - _yvjs 10y ago
    > 90% of genetic variance in human races exists in the African continent Counting neutral variation (the vast majority of genetic variation). You can get plenty of variation in non-coding DNA from drift without any effect on the variance in a trait. In fact, you rarely actually get effects on highly polygenic traits from drift without selection (imagine random directions chosen independently for each of the relevant alleles, and think in terms of the law of large numbers). If you're getting this from Oded Galor or Deidre McCloskey, they're generally smart people but don't understand population genetics well.
nabla9 10y ago
>They should have similar parasite load and nutritional status. This is strong assumption. Malnutrition (wider concept than just calories) exists in US and there are large differences between ethnic groups. Interestingly enough, from the same researchers: Parasite prevalence and the distribution of intelligence among the states of the USA, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229409035_Parasite_prevalence_and_the_distribution_of_intelligence_among_the_states_of_the_USA https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229409035_Parasite_... >In this study, we tested the parasite-stress hypothesis for the distribution of intelligence among the USA states: the hypothesis proposes that intelligence emerges from a developmental trade-off between maximizing brain vs. immune function. From this we predicted that among the USA states where infectious disease stress was high, average intelligence would be low and where infectious disease stress was low, average intelligence would be high. As predicted, we found that the correlation between average state IQ and infectious disease stress was − 0.67 (p < 0.0001) across the 50 states. Furthermore, when controlling the effects of wealth and educational variation among states, infectious disease stress was the best predictor of average state IQ.Highlights► We compared rates of infectious disease with average IQ across USA states. ► We controlled for education and wealth. ► Infectious disease was the best predictor of average IQ.
- ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
  The article you linked to is paywalled, which offers the abstract, Infectious disease was the best predictor of average IQ. But the study appears to conflate infectious disease with parasite and offers no way to look at the data they used. Correlation is not Causation: You might want to look at the prevalence of infectious diseases by race according to the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/healthdisparities/africanamericans.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/healthdisparities/africanamerica... Edit: Insert Numbers; Black People make up 14% of US population and 45% of the total of HIV/Aids 62% of women with HIV/Aids 55% of Gonorrhea Chalmydia: Black Women 5.2x more likely and Black men 7.3 times more likely as white people 38% of Syphilis cases Black Men and Women over 5 times as likely as white people 37% of TB cases Black people, and 87% of all reported TB cases occurred in racial and ethnic minorities
  - 10y ago

ZoeZoeBee 10y ago

Thirty Years of Research On Race Difference in Cognitive Ability, aggregates over a dozen studies from the past few decades, looking at everything from twins raised in different environments, the effects of adoption, location of the population, etc, using everything from multiple IQ tests to the ASVAB. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jense... Its worth reading and answers your question, while refuting the OP above

nabla9 10y ago
I never claimed that there is no differences between ethnic groups. I suggested looking and comparing the magnitudes between different factors and putting them into order of importance. We know that taller people have higher intelligence than shorter people on average [1]. Compare effect sizes between black and whites and tall and short white males. Now ask if the difference between ethnic groups is important or not. [1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence ps. 90% of genetic variance in human races exists in the African continent. If we clean out all environmental factors, the "smart genes" are probably in Africa. We just need to find them and distribute them.
- ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
  Taller people have higher intelligence than shorter people on average because, brain size is positively correlated with height, and brain size is positively correlated with IQ. >Studies on over 700 participants show that individuals with larger brain volumes have higher IQ scores. About two dozen studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to measure the volume of the human brain have found an overall correlation with IQ of greater than .40 >Within each race, cranial capacity correlated with IQ scores. By age 7, the Asian American children averaged an IQ of 110; the White children, 102; and the Black children 90. Because the Asian American children were the shortest in stature and the lightest in weight while the Black children were the tallest in stature and the heaviest in weight, these average race differences in brain-size/IQ relations were not due to body size. >Overall, MRI studies show that brain size is related to IQ differences within race. Moreover, the three-way pattern of group differences in average brain size is detectable at birth. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jense...
  - nthcolumn 10y ago
    Masai people must be super clever and Finnish people too. It must be true because I know a lot of really clever Dutch people and they are all really tall! Chinese people must be really stupid. I am so glad you gave me this insight. I am tall and I feel great now.
    - redsummer 10y ago
      Perhaps the NBA is an untapped source of nuclear physicists.
      - FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
        Yao Ming cracked cold fusion years ago!
    - Wildgoose 10y ago
      He/she is quoting "these average race differences in brain-size/IQ relations were not due to body size", i.e. it is an average within a population group rather than amongst population groups so you appear to be making and attacking a straw man argument.
- _yvjs 10y ago
  > 90% of genetic variance in human races exists in the African continent Counting neutral variation (the vast majority of genetic variation). You can get plenty of variation in non-coding DNA from drift without any effect on the variance in a trait. In fact, you rarely actually get effects on highly polygenic traits from drift without selection (imagine random directions chosen independently for each of the relevant alleles, and think in terms of the law of large numbers). If you're getting this from Oded Galor or Deidre McCloskey, they're generally smart people but don't understand population genetics well.

nabla9 10y ago

>They should have similar parasite load and nutritional status. This is strong assumption. Malnutrition (wider concept than just calories) exists in US and there are large differences between ethnic groups. Interestingly enough, from the same researchers: Parasite prevalence and the distribution of intelligence among the states of the USA, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229409035_Parasite_prevalence_and_the_distribution_of_intelligence_among_the_states_of_the_USA https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229409035_Parasite_... >In this study, we tested the parasite-stress hypothesis for the distribution of intelligence among the USA states: the hypothesis proposes that intelligence emerges from a developmental trade-off between maximizing brain vs. immune function. From this we predicted that among the USA states where infectious disease stress was high, average intelligence would be low and where infectious disease stress was low, average intelligence would be high. As predicted, we found that the correlation between average state IQ and infectious disease stress was − 0.67 (p < 0.0001) across the 50 states. Furthermore, when controlling the effects of wealth and educational variation among states, infectious disease stress was the best predictor of average state IQ.Highlights► We compared rates of infectious disease with average IQ across USA states. ► We controlled for education and wealth. ► Infectious disease was the best predictor of average IQ.

ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
The article you linked to is paywalled, which offers the abstract, Infectious disease was the best predictor of average IQ. But the study appears to conflate infectious disease with parasite and offers no way to look at the data they used. Correlation is not Causation: You might want to look at the prevalence of infectious diseases by race according to the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/healthdisparities/africanamericans.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/healthdisparities/africanamerica... Edit: Insert Numbers; Black People make up 14% of US population and 45% of the total of HIV/Aids 62% of women with HIV/Aids 55% of Gonorrhea Chalmydia: Black Women 5.2x more likely and Black men 7.3 times more likely as white people 38% of Syphilis cases Black Men and Women over 5 times as likely as white people 37% of TB cases Black people, and 87% of all reported TB cases occurred in racial and ethnic minorities
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