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Able-bodied and young. "You’ll need to be 55 or under when you apply."[0] [0] https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/work/explore-work-visa-

Able-bodied and young. "You’ll need to be 55 or under when you apply."[0] [0] https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/work/explore-work-visa-options https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/wo...

simplehuman 10y ago
I don't mean to be uncouth, but if you are 55 and not retired yet, you are going to have serious employment issues in software industry. Again, I am not prejudiced or anything. This is just a fact that I have accepted. Edit: are you downvoting my comment because you think this is bad practice (which I agree to) OR are you saying my view of the reality is wrong?
- technofiend 10y ago
  >I don't mean to be uncouth, but if you are 55 and not retired yet, you are going to have serious employment issues in software industry.... as defined by Silicon Valley. There are plenty of roles outside of SV for the gray hairs.
  - simplehuman 10y ago
    Not just the valley but in any of the developing nations like India, China, Brazil either. Those populations have a constant stream of educated youth rolling in. It is very hard to compete with youth (not on knowledge but on the aspect of how much work hours you can dedicate at that point in life). But I am happy to hear there are places that respect > 55 year olds. Note that the population of > 55 in software is probably quite small now because this all started only in 1990s proper. So, we will see the real problem only 2020 or so.
  - kabdib 10y ago
    55 here. Not a problem.
  - coldcode 10y ago
    59, not either. I'd live in NZ for a year if I could, likely be very fun.
    - untra 10y ago
      Doesn't mean you can't visit; it'd probably be beautiful
- intrasight 10y ago
  Perhaps I would come out of retirement if I could move to New Zealand.
- willtim 10y ago
  If true, that would be to the detriment of our industry. The systems produced by that generation were typically simpler and more reliable than what we have now.
- everybodyknows 10y ago
  Rob Pike, architect and still active maintainer of Golang, was born in 1956: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/assigned/robpike Longevity requires: 1. staying healthy 2. finding inspiration in your work 3. finding an employer that values the strengths and accommodates the limitation of older brains. Grey of hair, ye need not despair.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - simplehuman 10y ago
    Such people are called "exceptions" or exceptional
- everybodyknows 10y ago
  Why the downvoting? *None love the bearer of bad news* --Sophocles
  - al452 10y ago
    Because it just ain't true? Age discrimination exists, but it's not really the reason there are so few 55 year olds in software today. That's simply because very very few people in the 1980s took up a career in software. The industry was orders of magnitude smaller! I've worked in multiple places that had absolutely zero problem hiring people in their 50s - when we were lucky enough to find people that experienced.
- ThrowawayR2 10y ago
  >I don't mean to be uncouth, but if you are 55 and not retired yet, you are going to have serious employment issues in software industry. I've only seen this occur to people who failed to keep their skills up to date and failed to keep growing their abilities commensurate to their number of years of experience. Demand is still tremendous for people who are experienced and competent.
- everybodyknows 10y ago
  To the unjustly downvoted: Consider the possibilities of writing in esoteric rather than exoteric style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss
  - mamurphy 10y ago
    I think I understand the difference between esoteric (my opinion) and exoteric (this is what I think the world is). What is the difference in writing style dictated by the two different types of claims, though? Neither reading that wiki page nor quick googling helped me find examples of the two different styles.

simplehuman 10y ago

I don't mean to be uncouth, but if you are 55 and not retired yet, you are going to have serious employment issues in software industry. Again, I am not prejudiced or anything. This is just a fact that I have accepted. Edit: are you downvoting my comment because you think this is bad practice (which I agree to) OR are you saying my view of the reality is wrong?

technofiend 10y ago
>I don't mean to be uncouth, but if you are 55 and not retired yet, you are going to have serious employment issues in software industry.... as defined by Silicon Valley. There are plenty of roles outside of SV for the gray hairs.
- simplehuman 10y ago
  Not just the valley but in any of the developing nations like India, China, Brazil either. Those populations have a constant stream of educated youth rolling in. It is very hard to compete with youth (not on knowledge but on the aspect of how much work hours you can dedicate at that point in life). But I am happy to hear there are places that respect > 55 year olds. Note that the population of > 55 in software is probably quite small now because this all started only in 1990s proper. So, we will see the real problem only 2020 or so.
- kabdib 10y ago
  55 here. Not a problem.
- coldcode 10y ago
  59, not either. I'd live in NZ for a year if I could, likely be very fun.
  - untra 10y ago
    Doesn't mean you can't visit; it'd probably be beautiful
intrasight 10y ago
Perhaps I would come out of retirement if I could move to New Zealand.
willtim 10y ago
If true, that would be to the detriment of our industry. The systems produced by that generation were typically simpler and more reliable than what we have now.
everybodyknows 10y ago
Rob Pike, architect and still active maintainer of Golang, was born in 1956: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/assigned/robpike Longevity requires: 1. staying healthy 2. finding inspiration in your work 3. finding an employer that values the strengths and accommodates the limitation of older brains. Grey of hair, ye need not despair.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- simplehuman 10y ago
  Such people are called "exceptions" or exceptional
everybodyknows 10y ago
Why the downvoting? *None love the bearer of bad news* --Sophocles
- al452 10y ago
  Because it just ain't true? Age discrimination exists, but it's not really the reason there are so few 55 year olds in software today. That's simply because very very few people in the 1980s took up a career in software. The industry was orders of magnitude smaller! I've worked in multiple places that had absolutely zero problem hiring people in their 50s - when we were lucky enough to find people that experienced.
ThrowawayR2 10y ago
>I don't mean to be uncouth, but if you are 55 and not retired yet, you are going to have serious employment issues in software industry. I've only seen this occur to people who failed to keep their skills up to date and failed to keep growing their abilities commensurate to their number of years of experience. Demand is still tremendous for people who are experienced and competent.
everybodyknows 10y ago
To the unjustly downvoted: Consider the possibilities of writing in esoteric rather than exoteric style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss
- mamurphy 10y ago
  I think I understand the difference between esoteric (my opinion) and exoteric (this is what I think the world is). What is the difference in writing style dictated by the two different types of claims, though? Neither reading that wiki page nor quick googling helped me find examples of the two different styles.