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- Both Chrome and Firefox remove npapi plugin support to move web forward - But Chrome leaves few plugins, including Hangouts, and makes them builtin - Now Ha

by ungzd 10y ago

- Both Chrome and Firefox remove npapi plugin support to move web forward - But Chrome leaves few plugins, including Hangouts, and makes them builtin - Now Hangouts does not work in Firefox, users think that Chrome is superior Party like it's 1999.

rv11 10y ago
I don't think they use any specific plugin, but use webRTC instead for hangouts
- ungzd 10y ago
  Seems that extension is involved: http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf
  - cpeterso 10y ago
    Hangouts on Chrome uses NaCl for some visual processing (like hats), or at least it used to. So the NaCl code may show up as a plugin process. https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/ https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/
- cpeterso 10y ago
  Hangouts uses a plugin (NPAPI or ActiveX) in browsers other than Chrome.
- TD-Linux 10y ago
  Hangouts uses a bunch of non-standard Hangouts-specific APIs in Chrome. Maybe it's be best to call it "Google-RTC". https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/ https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/ In summary, they use weaker encryption than allowed by the spec, nonstandard ICE (firewall hole punching), nonstandard data channels, and an abandoned way to do multistream.
awalton 10y ago
Unfortunately, after knock-down, drag out fighting over the matter, it was learned that the Justice Department of the United States is entirely spineless, and Microsoft got away with their antitrust conviction with impunity. Meet the new boss, Google, same as the old boss, Microsoft.
Ajedi32 10y ago
> But Chrome leaves few plugins, including Hangouts, and makes them builtin Huh? No they didn't. The only plugins built-in to Chrome are Widevine DRM, PDF Viewer, Native Client, and Adobe Flash: chrome://plugins/
- ungzd 10y ago
  This "almost opensource" browser became so shady so noone knows for sure what plugin it includes. I see Google Hangouts plugin in Chrome Task Manager: http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf. Also in source in Chromium: https://chromium.googlesource.com/external/webrtc/stable/talk/+/master/xmpp/hangoutpubsubclient.cc https://chromium.googlesource.com/external/webrtc/stable/tal... It might be not npapi plugin but just something built in into source.

by ungzd 10y ago

rv11 10y ago

I don't think they use any specific plugin, but use webRTC instead for hangouts

ungzd 10y ago
Seems that extension is involved: http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf
- cpeterso 10y ago
  Hangouts on Chrome uses NaCl for some visual processing (like hats), or at least it used to. So the NaCl code may show up as a plugin process. https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/ https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/
cpeterso 10y ago
Hangouts uses a plugin (NPAPI or ActiveX) in browsers other than Chrome.
TD-Linux 10y ago
Hangouts uses a bunch of non-standard Hangouts-specific APIs in Chrome. Maybe it's be best to call it "Google-RTC". https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/ https://webrtchacks.com/hangout-analysis-philipp-hancke/ In summary, they use weaker encryption than allowed by the spec, nonstandard ICE (firewall hole punching), nonstandard data channels, and an abandoned way to do multistream.

awalton 10y ago

Unfortunately, after knock-down, drag out fighting over the matter, it was learned that the Justice Department of the United States is entirely spineless, and Microsoft got away with their antitrust conviction with impunity. Meet the new boss, Google, same as the old boss, Microsoft.

Ajedi32 10y ago

> But Chrome leaves few plugins, including Hangouts, and makes them builtin Huh? No they didn't. The only plugins built-in to Chrome are Widevine DRM, PDF Viewer, Native Client, and Adobe Flash: chrome://plugins/

ungzd 10y ago
This "almost opensource" browser became so shady so noone knows for sure what plugin it includes. I see Google Hangouts plugin in Chrome Task Manager: http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf http://imgur.com/a/HLpLf. Also in source in Chromium: https://chromium.googlesource.com/external/webrtc/stable/talk/+/master/xmpp/hangoutpubsubclient.cc https://chromium.googlesource.com/external/webrtc/stable/tal... It might be not npapi plugin but just something built in into source.