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I can really only be cynical about this announcement, hoping to convince a few more firefox users to switch to chrome instead of supporting the open web.

by codemac 10y ago

kajecounterhack 10y ago
FWIW they link Firefox ESR, and October-now is only 2 quarters to migrate a complicated app. Sucks though, Firefox probably could have make a longer exception for them if it mattered to them.
- hackuser 10y ago
  The announcement linked to above was made in October 2015, 16 months ago, and said the change would be made by the end of 2016.
  - c3833174 10y ago
    It would be nice if 52 wasn't included since it's the next ESR
    - cpeterso 10y ago
      The ESR version of Firefox 52 will continue to support NPAPI plugins for another year. Thus the Hangouts NPAPI plugin will continue to work in Firefox 52 ESR for but not regular Firefox 52.
      - j3097736 10y ago
        Oh, nice
  - kajecounterhack 10y ago
    Ah, thanks for the correction. In that case yeah that's quite a long time to implement something important.
- deleted 10y ago
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digi_owl 10y ago
In the end corporation have discovered how to hijack "open". They just need to get a lead position on development, and then iterate on changes faster than the competition. Then again, i guess that is pretty much how Microsoft kept the competition from fully supporting the Office file formats...
- fixermark 10y ago
  The path for "Hijacking 'open'" sounds an awful lot like "building better software faster." Can we get more people to "hijack 'open'"? Can "'open' hijackers" become the new "rockstar developers?"
  - int_19h 10y ago
    It all depends on your definition of "better", and particularly on whether it includes "open" and "interoperable", and to what extent.
    - fixermark 10y ago
      "Does it work?" is generally the definition I use.
      - int_19h 10y ago
        A lot of people do. But some of us find it frustrating when, later down the line, we want to switch the service provider (of whatever the service is), only to find out the massive amount of lock-in around their services/software making it a massive pain - and as a result, we have to contend with the relatively more minor pain that prompted the desire to switch in the first place. E.g. in retrospect, I wish I never bought into the Google ecosystem as much as I did, convenient though as it was. There are parts of it that I dislike or outright hate now, but the inconvenience of switching away is greater (yes, I've tried), so now I mostly just grumble quietly.
        fixermark 10y ago

I can really only be cynical about this announcement, hoping to convince a few more firefox users to switch to chrome instead of supporting the open web.

by codemac 10y ago

I can really only be cynical about this announcement, hoping to convince a few more firefox users to switch to chrome instead of supporting the open web.

kajecounterhack 10y ago

FWIW they link Firefox ESR, and October-now is only 2 quarters to migrate a complicated app. Sucks though, Firefox probably could have make a longer exception for them if it mattered to them.

hackuser 10y ago
The announcement linked to above was made in October 2015, 16 months ago, and said the change would be made by the end of 2016.
- c3833174 10y ago
  It would be nice if 52 wasn't included since it's the next ESR
  - cpeterso 10y ago
    The ESR version of Firefox 52 will continue to support NPAPI plugins for another year. Thus the Hangouts NPAPI plugin will continue to work in Firefox 52 ESR for but not regular Firefox 52.
    - j3097736 10y ago
      Oh, nice
- kajecounterhack 10y ago
  Ah, thanks for the correction. In that case yeah that's quite a long time to implement something important.
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digi_owl 10y ago

In the end corporation have discovered how to hijack "open". They just need to get a lead position on development, and then iterate on changes faster than the competition. Then again, i guess that is pretty much how Microsoft kept the competition from fully supporting the Office file formats...

fixermark 10y ago
The path for "Hijacking 'open'" sounds an awful lot like "building better software faster." Can we get more people to "hijack 'open'"? Can "'open' hijackers" become the new "rockstar developers?"
- int_19h 10y ago
  It all depends on your definition of "better", and particularly on whether it includes "open" and "interoperable", and to what extent.
  - fixermark 10y ago
    "Does it work?" is generally the definition I use.
    - int_19h 10y ago
      A lot of people do. But some of us find it frustrating when, later down the line, we want to switch the service provider (of whatever the service is), only to find out the massive amount of lock-in around their services/software making it a massive pain - and as a result, we have to contend with the relatively more minor pain that prompted the desire to switch in the first place. E.g. in retrospect, I wish I never bought into the Google ecosystem as much as I did, convenient though as it was. There are parts of it that I dislike or outright hate now, but the inconvenience of switching away is greater (yes, I've tried), so now I mostly just grumble quietly.
      - fixermark 10y ago