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Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

• StavrosK 10y ago
  The front page returns a 500 error and is blank. On the upside, I like the minimalism!
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    [edit: It's fixed now - see below] ;) works for me... :/ Can you try again?
    • StavrosK 10y ago
      Nope: https://www.pastery.net/tfyqwb/ https://www.pastery.net/tfyqwb/
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        Thank you very much. I'll investigate.
        • mherrmann 10y ago
          Should be fixed now!
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• klibertp 10y ago
  Interesting. I would give it a try if I weren't using Sunrise Commander (an Emacs plugin[1]). On a related note: it's good to see more and more apps include a command line, where you can invoke any function of the program. Menu + icons + hotkeys strategy may be a good UI for normal users, but the command line - especially with good completion, like with Helm[2] - is much more convenient if the program has more than just a couple functions. Emacs (M-x) and Vim (:) worked like that since the beginning, I wonder what happened, what caused even programmers' tools to shed their command lines for more than twenty years? [1] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Sunrise_Commander https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Sunrise_Commander Screenshot: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SunriseCommanderScreenshotOnePage https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SunriseCommanderScreenshotOn... [2] Screenshot: https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/blob/master/images/helm-buffers-list.gif https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/blob/master/images/helm-b...
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Yes, I very much agree that a command line with autocomplete like Sublime Text's Ctrl/Cmd+Shift+P should be available in many more applications. I find menus a horrible way of exposing functionality. It's just so tedious to find anything.
• wingerlang 10y ago
  - I'd like to have relative folders showing up when doing the CMD+P within a folder. - Autocomplete when moving a file. - There's 'select' but not 'unselect'. It's easy to work around but it was tedious to use. - I like having some visual shortcuts or spatial information about he dirs. Now I go into a dir and the top one is kinda lost. Just my opinion. - Maybe let me use CMD+O to open folder/file instead of Enter, which should rename it. At least it would follow macOS pattern. Seems fine but not sure if I'll be using it. Maybe.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Thank you for the suggestions. Implementation of fman's features is prioritised by the number of votes they receive on a public Trello board [1]. - Relative folders in GoTo in Steroids (Cmd+P): I've added a card on the Trello board for this [2]. - Autocomplete when moving a file: likewise [3] - You're right about deselect. It should be there. I haven't had time to implement it. One user used the Python plugin API [4] to implement deselect [5]. - fman's ancestors in spirit are dual-pane file managers like Norton Commander or Total Commander, which for 20 years use Enter to open folders/files. Of course, you're free to override the default key bindings [6]. [1]: https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman [2]: https://trello.com/c/TEIdHUjH/142-goto-on-steroids-should-also-suggest-subdirectories-of-paths-containing https://trello.com/c/TEIdHUjH/142-goto-on-steroids-should-al... [3]: https://trello.com/c/uavERPwD/143-auto-complete-paths-in-copy-move-dialogs https://trello.com/c/uavERPwD/143-auto-complete-paths-in-cop... [4]: https://fman.io/docs/plugins-introduction https://fman.io/docs/plugins-introduction [5]: https://github.com/raguay/DeSelect https://github.com/raguay/DeSelect [6]: https://fman.io/docs/customizing-fman https://fman.io/docs/customizing-fman
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• splitbrain 10y ago
  Hmm the linux download gives me a .deb file only. I know I could try to extract the binary from it... but I'm too lazy. (ArchLinux user)
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Sorry about that. Features are prioritised according to the number of votes they receive on a public Trello board [1]. There's a card [2] for ArchLinux support. [1]: https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman [2]: https://trello.com/c/sOyQA73P/80-create-a-packaged-version-of-fman-for-arch-linux-pacman https://trello.com/c/sOyQA73P/80-create-a-packaged-version-o...
  • squarefoot 10y ago
    a .deb file is an ar archive containing two .tar.gz files, one of which (data.tar.gz) contains the binary along with required files under the same paths you would install on your system. This example from tldp.org will help: ------------------------------------ $ ar tv parted_1.4.24-4_i386.deb rw-r--r-- 0/0 4 Mar 28 13:46 2002 debian-binary rw-r--r-- 0/0 1386 Mar 28 13:46 2002 control.tar.gz rw-r--r-- 0/0 39772 Mar 28 13:46 2002 data.tar.gz The 'data.tar.gz' file contains all the files that will be installed with their destination paths: drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:57 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:49 ./sbin/ -rwxr-xr-x root/root 31656 2002-03-28 13:44:49 ./sbin/parted drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:38 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:41 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:38 ./usr/share/man/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:52 ./usr/share/man/man8/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 1608 2002-03-28 13:44:37 ./usr/share/man/man8/parted.8.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:41 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-03-28 13:44:52 ./usr/share/doc/parted/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 1880 2002-03-07 14:20:08 ./usr/share/doc/parted/README.Debian -rw-r--r-- root/root 1347 2002-02-27 01:40:50 ./usr/share/doc/parted/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root 6444 2002-03-28 13:37:33 ./usr/share/doc/parted/changelog.Debian.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 15523 2002-03-28 02:36:43 ./usr/share/doc/parted/changelog.gz
  • gnuarch 10y ago
    Should this PKGBUILD work? pkgname=fman-bin pkgver=0.3.0 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="A modern file manager for power users" arch=('x86_64') url="https://fman.io/" license=('Proprietary') source=("http://download.fman.io/fman.deb") sha256sums=('SKIP') package() { tar xzvf "$srcdir/data.tar.gz" -C "$pkgdir/" }
• bootlooped 10y ago
  I like it at first glance, it is a lot more aesthetically pleasing than the other alternatives others have mentioned. I will try it out for a while and buy it if I like it enough. Why is there a limited number of licenses available?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I want to see "who's in". As a commercial project [1], fman needs to first and foremost appeal to its paying users. Limiting the license sale in both time and quantity lets me select for these people. [1]: https://fman.io/blog/fmans-business-strategy/ https://fman.io/blog/fmans-business-strategy/
    • jmcdiesel 10y ago
      "fman needs to first and foremost appeal to its paying users" I can speak, as a paid user of many software products, that actually being able to PAY for something, makes it far more appealing to me...
• braindead_in 10y ago
  No search?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Not yet sorry. Features are priorities by the number of votes they receive on a public Trello board [1]. There's a card [2] for search (which is not the highest-voted feature). But it will definitely come. [1]: https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman [2]: https://trello.com/c/ZtBmsZtA/98-file-search https://trello.com/c/ZtBmsZtA/98-file-search
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• dep_b 10y ago
  How well would this work as a replacement for Finder for basically every task?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    The only use case I currently still use Finder for is previewing Pictures. But admittedly, my needs aren't that advanced. The most mainstream missing feature is probably a search functionality (see the card [1] on the feature requests list). I don't miss it because I use the command line. [1]: https://trello.com/c/ZtBmsZtA/98-file-search https://trello.com/c/ZtBmsZtA/98-file-search
• huhtenberg 10y ago
  It's an interesting project, clearly stemming from scratching one's personal itch. Congrats on the Show HN, always an exciting experience :) A bit of a reality check though if you don't mind - I think you will have very hard time selling this. Windows chunk of your target audience will undoubtedly be already using Far and its many plugins, and thus have very little reason for switching. Conversely, those not familiar with Far probably won't be that interested in fman either. Mac - desktop Mac market is exactly 1/10 of that of Windows. Perhaps Mac people are more inclined to pay, but it will still be peanuts compared to what a Windows version could bring. Linux - I am frankly not familiar with a single Linux user, developer or not, who ever bought anything except for games. [1] http://www.farmanager.com http://www.farmanager.com
  • BeefySwain 10y ago
    Anecdote, but I am a Linux user and have paid for animation software (the name escapes me, I didn't do much with it). That said I feel like if more quality software existed for Linux, I feel there would be more of a market for it. I would gladly pay for quality CAD software, as well as a decent graphical suite and video editor.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I'm nearly sold out [1] so I don't see a problem selling this. Far manager is command-line only. 24% of my visitors are on Mac, Windows is 34% - hardly 1/10. [1]: https://fman.io/buy https://fman.io/buy
    • huhtenberg 10y ago
      > I'm nearly sold out Can I ask what your sales goals/expectations are? Being "sold out" on software licenses certainly looks like a marketing trick rather than a meaningful demand quantifier. > 24% of my visitors are on Mac, Windows is 34% - hardly 1/10 The 1/10 is the actual rate of Mac to Windows desktop shares. The fact that you are getting 24/34 simply means that you are either not reaching Windows audience or the product doesn't resonate with it.
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• AAAton 10y ago
  Nice! I have been wanting something like this. I saw the feature requests on trello, but couldn't find "Create a new file"
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I'm currently the only person who can add cards to the list. But just email me at [michael] at [herrmann] dot [io] and I'll add your suggestions/bug reports!
• tra3 10y ago
  This looks like a lovely project but I would also suggest [midnight commander](https://www.gnu.org/software/mc/ https://www.gnu.org/software/mc/). It's a console based file manager that is available everywhere.
  • oneweekwonder 10y ago
    I tried mc ftp client, and it was not a enjoyable experience.
    • BeetleB 10y ago
      Did you use it from within mc or as a standalone? I use FTP or SFTP within mc all the time. It's fantastic - no shortcomings so far. Much easier than command line usage. You're navigating remote directories just as if they were local. What did you find problematic with it?
    • herbst 10y ago
      Is any ftp client a enjoyable experience? Why not just mount it with fuse
• andreasklinger 10y ago
  The speed and efficiency of Norton Commander[1] was amazing Happy that people bring it into our century [1]: http://www.abandonwaredos.com/public/aban_img_screens/nortoncommander-5.jpg http://www.abandonwaredos.com/public/aban_img_screens/norton...
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Thank you Andreas! fman is actually also currently on your platform, Product Hunt ;-)
    • andreasklinger 10y ago
      kudos to the launch! ps: already upvoted :)
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        many thanks! btw, I'm not sure if you're still based in Vienna, but I'm from here :)
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  • jakobdabo 10y ago
    If you are still using Windows then Far Manager [1] is an amazing Norton Commander-like open source file manager with lots of available plug-ins. I miss it in Linux, although Midnight Commander is not bad too (which I'm using now in Linux). [1] https://farmanager.com/ https://farmanager.com/
    • jasonjayr 10y ago
      Double Commander is a decent OSS cross-platform GUI implementation of the same 'commander' interface
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• pswenson 10y ago
  How about a right click/keystroke to copy current file path to clipboard?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    F11 :-)
• unixhero 10y ago
  DoubleCommamder is a really good clone of Total Commander. Recommended!
  • oneweekwonder 10y ago
    http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/ http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/ is the url to "Double Commander" for those that googled for "DoubleCommamder" and could only find "DoubleCommand".
    • unixhero 10y ago
      Typed it on my phone. I agree, the post was slightly lazy:).
• zokier 10y ago
  Cute project. I really like keyboard-driven graphical applications, they have so much potential. The licensing seems bit curious, whats the rationale in limiting the amount and time?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    You mean why the current license sale is limited in amount and time - I answered this in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696
• BeetleB 10y ago
  I can tell this is inspired by Norton Commander. My obvious question: Why use fman when I can use Midnight Commander (for Linux) and Far Manager for Windows? Both are very powerful and mature. One reason I ask: fman requires a paid license for business use, whereas the other two do not. (Wrote a Midnight Commander guide once: http://nawaz.org/media/docs/mc/mc.pdf http://nawaz.org/media/docs/mc/mc.pdf )
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Both are command-line only and some people just want a GUI.
    • BeetleB 10y ago
      Neither mc nor far cause problems in GUI environments. I use Windows at work. All I have to do is click on the Far icon and it pops up in a window. You can do something similar with mc in Linux.
    • int_19h 10y ago
      MC and Far are TUI, not command-line. Just because it's text-mode doesn't mean it's not a UI. Far even does drag and drop between panels, and context menus (and it uses the standard Shell context menu, just rendered in text mode).
• Karunamon 10y ago
  Why the limited number of licenses?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I answered this in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696
• xena 10y ago
  Isn't the gif on the front page from atom?
• andresgottlieb 10y ago
  Is that Stripe modal asking you to enter your credit card number, without knowing what server is it going to, an official Stripe thing? I would never enter any sensitive data there.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Yes, it's called Stripe Checkout [1]. [1]: https://stripe.com/docs/checkout/tutorial https://stripe.com/docs/checkout/tutorial
    • andresgottlieb 10y ago
      Just found this comment from years ago, I completely agree and cannot believe this system has been around for years! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5082918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5082918 PS. Great app, BTW!
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        Thanks! :-)
• DougWebb 10y ago
  Did the installer for fman just install Opera as well? When I went to uninstall fman using the Windows control panel, I sorted by install date and Opera was shown as being installed after fman was, within just the past few minutes. I don't think I had Opera installed already, but even if I did it's extremely unlikely that an auto-updated just happened to occur during the couple of minutes I had fman installed.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Nope. I have no idea why you see Opera as being installed after fman. Maybe it was installed and updated itself?
• ino 10y ago
  Looks nice and minimal, but a bit too barebones, mouse seems neglected even for basic usage. I'm missing /.. to go up on the top of the folder, for example. Or even better, It'd be nice if I could click anywhere on the path to go there directly. I'll keep an eye on the project as it is something I would gladly use. My all time favourite nc clone is Altap Salamander, but sadly it's windows only. https://www.altap.cz https://www.altap.cz All the others I've tried, FAR, TC, etc. seemed too ugly or clunky.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    It's still somewhat early days. There's a card [1] on the feature requests list for making ".." configurable. The reason it's not there by default is that I want to keep the UI as clean as possible. But if you vote on the card (like many others have), then the implementation of this feature will be moved up in priority. [1]: https://trello.com/c/i3iA6BFZ/2-entry-in-folders https://trello.com/c/i3iA6BFZ/2-entry-in-folders
• bastijn 10y ago
  I just did a blind purchase. Partly because I hate osx finder that much, partly because I want to support people who ask the right price for their products, and partly because it was the right time;I like to get up early tomorrow and install something new. And who knows, it might even replace my xplorer2 (http://zabkat.com/ http://zabkat.com/) on Windows..
  • Razengan 10y ago
    Can people even explain why they hate Finder, or is it just a fashionable bandwagon to jump on? While I do prefer Path Finder [1] for file-heavy workflows, Finder is perfectly usable with a few tweaks here and there: - Get TinkerTool [2] to show hidden and system files, pathname in the window title etc. - Tweak and create your own keyboard shortcuts for Finder in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> App Shortcuts. - Trim the Finder Sidebar and Toolbar to only show you the most relevant items, or hide them outright. - Tags are your friends! Use them freely. They can be used to effectively store a file in multiple "folders", and are very handy in combination with Spotlight and even Siri. - Show the Comments column and use them too if you need to! (Comments are applied from the Get Info panel.) - You can customize icons for files and folders by Get Info -> Drag an .icns file to the icon in the Info panel. To delete a custom icon, click the icon in the Info panel and press Backspace. [1] http://cocoatech.com/pathfinder/ http://cocoatech.com/pathfinder/ [2] http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html
    • mherrmann 10y ago
      What I don't like about Finder is that it can't be used efficiently with the keyboard. It's the same with Windows Explorer.
      • lotsofcows 10y ago
        Navigate, open, close, cut, copy, paste, rename, delete - what's missing?
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• DTrejo 10y ago
  I love it. 1) you're charging 2) it's OSS-ish 3) and you seem to have a business model that'll work long-term. Don't listen to me because I'm not a paying client, but keep up the good work! Another idea for how to charge people: "enterprisey" usage, e.g. 2000+ files in one folder or anything that normal file managers choke on.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Thanks but it's not OSS (why: [1]). Where did I get you confused? [1]: https://fman.io/blog/fmans-business-strategy/ https://fman.io/blog/fmans-business-strategy/
    • DTrejo 10y ago
      I think the "open source promise" link on the homepage made me think it was already OSS. As you know, people on the internet can't be depended upon to read :)
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• fuzzythinker 10y ago
  Licenses are already out within hrs on HN?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    The launch (to my mailing list of ~1200 people) actually started a day earlier and was 50% sold out when it became popular here.
• mcgrath_sh 10y ago
  I think your business model is interesting. However, I'd be careful in letting users decide the direction of the project. It might be okay-ish now if the userbase is small, but when you hit a not unreasonably large number of people (500? 1k?), that can quickly deteriorate. What if the most upvoted suggestion is something that you have no use for? Or if it is something that no future customer would want? Are you going to sink development hours into it due to the promises you made? What if the top features are continually fluctuating? I saw you are the only one who can add cards, and that is a deterrent for now. This is a project I will be keeping my eye on, but I didn't buy a license today because "making paying users happy" gives me a bit of pause. Good luck going forward and I hope to want to buy this within the next year! The idea of a Sublime-like file manager is intriguing.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    That's an interesting point. I've had feature requests I don't agree with. The problem is that one feature may make one person happy, but (say) complicate the UI and thus make another person unhappy. It's a balance between my vision and what people want.
    • sdegutis 10y ago
      It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. Btw why are the Linux and Mac versions both 21mb but the Windows version is only 1mb? Magic? I'm gonna assume magic. Also: it doesn't seem to use Electron! Cool! But wait, it uses Python + Qt instead?
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        When there's doubt about feature requests, I side with conservative choices because I hate bloated software. The Windows version is an online installer that always fetches the latest version from the update server. It's based on Google Omaha, the same technology that also Chrome uses for auto-updating. I wrote a blog post about this [1]. It uses PyQt instead of Electron. I was very tempted to use Electron, but its startup time is prohibitive. I wrote a blog post about this as well [2]. [1]: https://fman.io/blog/google-omaha-tutorial/ https://fman.io/blog/google-omaha-tutorial/ [2]: https://fman.io/blog/picking-technologies-for-a-desktop-app-in-2016/ https://fman.io/blog/picking-technologies-for-a-desktop-app-...
• fernandotakai 10y ago
  > don't be a free user! sure, going to buy it > i'm sorry, we're sold out :-( 100 licenses were made available on March 1, and all are gone. guess i will be a free user :/
  • jmcdiesel 10y ago
    Never seen a developer both talk about the rationale of not being OSS to cover costs, then decline people wanting to give him money...
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I'm sorry :( 1) I didn't expect to be sold out 2) I want to provide paying users with an awesome experience but need to be able to focus my resources to do that. I promise more licenses will be made available soon.
    • fernandotakai 10y ago
      i totally understand your side. but you have to understand that the popup[0] that appears when i open fman without a license is really obnoxious. specially when i can't buy a license. [0] http://i.imgur.com/m5uTyBe.png http://i.imgur.com/m5uTyBe.png
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        You're right, I'm sorry. I'll find a solution. I saw you signed up for the waiting list. I'll get in touch.
      • jasonjayr 10y ago
        Ha. That's the same popup Total Commander gives you when you don't have a license.
        • mherrmann 10y ago
          yup ;)
• movedx 10y ago
  What's with the 100 license limit?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I explained this in other comments [1], [2]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808
• rhubarbquid 10y ago
  I have no problem with them charging for their software, but it's kind of lame that you have to download and run it before they even tell you it requires buying a license...
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Sorry you had a bad experience :/ I can somehow see why and I guess I should make it clearer. There's a "Buy" link in the navigation and on the separate download page [1] it says that a license is required. [1]: https://fman.io/download https://fman.io/download
    • jmcdiesel 10y ago
      I think, paying attention to the comments here, you should consider that your communication is an issue. The whole license in general, the need for it, the "it feels OSS, but its not" ... the artificial license limit... lots of red flags, and a lack of clarity.
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        The person who said the thing about OSS corrected himself (I assume it's a he) and admitted he just hadn't read the page properly. I just explained why the limit isn't artificial. But you're right, I'm sure my communication can improve. I've been spending a lot of time on this project so am somewhat "blind" to mistakes. All I can do is listen to the feedback here and improve.
        • jmcdiesel 10y ago
          I think we'll just have to disagree on the "artificial" thing. It "appears" artificial. I think the combo of the nag screen and the inability to pay to get rid of it is a big part of the problem. If you're not going to let people buy the software, you shouldn't add a penalty/hurdle/annoyance to their usage.
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• krick 10y ago
  How about ranger? It's FOSS too.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    But only for the command line.
• desireco42 10y ago
  This looks like Norton Commander for DOS and subsequent clones. I always liked this two pane layout. This is nothing new.
• nickodell 10y ago
  This broke apt-get update on my system, by adding an https update method. I assume the author must have apt-transport-https installed, or something.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Sorry about that :/ It adds /etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list so you can update fman with apt. Isn't non-https unsafe?
    • dewey 10y ago
      No, because the packages are already signed with gpg. That way you can verify the checksum already.
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        Interesting (sorry, I'm new to Linux packaging). So would it be safe then to replace by http? (Not that I'd take this at face value, but I am interested in your opinion)
        • dewey 10y ago
          Here's some more information that sums that up quite nicely, most default mirrors are http so I'd say it's safe enough. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90227/why-there-is-no-https-transport-for-debian-apt-tool/90321#90321 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90227/why-there-is-n...
          • mherrmann 10y ago
            Thanks!
        • rawfan 10y ago
          While we're at it, you absolutely need to remove that cronjob. No package should run their own update. That's the domain of the systems package manager.
• preordained 10y ago
  Default key bindings kind of suck...but actually pretty useable once you've gone and overwridden those. Here's some of my overrides: [ { "keys": ["Ctrl+Enter"], "command": "copy" }, { "keys": ["Shift+Enter"], "command": "rename" }, { "keys": ["Ctrl+Shift+Enter"], "command": "move" }, { "keys": ["Left"], "command": "go_up" }, { "keys": ["Right"], "command": "open" }, { "keys": ["Enter"], "command": "open" }, { "keys": ["Alt+Enter"],"command":"open_with_editor"}, { "keys": ["Ctrl+Alt+T"], "command": "open_terminal"}, { "keys": ["Ctrl+Alt+Enter"], "command": "open_native_file_manager" } ]
• rscnt 10y ago
  worth mentioning: sunflower[http://sunflower-fm.org/ http://sunflower-fm.org/]
• vikingcaffiene 10y ago
  Why would I use this over something like, say, Alfred? Alfred has a file launcher very similar to this from what I can on the screenshots. What's the appeal here? Cross platform support?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I would say cross platform and more of a focus on moving/copying files.
• missenlinx 10y ago
  Your installer was detected on my Windows 7 machine as a virus. http://imgur.com/a/47tsP http://imgur.com/a/47tsP
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Yes, McAffee complains as well [1]. I don't know why :( [1]: https://trello.com/c/dFLnJXLr/121-mcafee-complains-that-fman-is-a-trojan https://trello.com/c/dFLnJXLr/121-mcafee-complains-that-fman...
    • slrz 10y ago
      Because antivirus software tends to be a huge load of crap that will flag anything just slightly out of the ordinary with annoying popups to give moronic customers the impression their wasted money actually contributed to system security. Don't worry about it and tell users to remove that garbage from their systems. If more developers stopped putting up with it for fear of being associated with malware, this shit would come to an end quickly. Alternatively, you can bend over and ask them nicely to consider the flagging of your app a false positive. If you're lucky, they might add an ultra-specific whitelist entry so that their software will shut up until you update your app (or compiler, …) the next time. Repeat until your butt can't take it anymore.
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        :/
• the_common_man 10y ago
  This reminds me of those "urbit addresses" that went on sale for like 200 USD each and the website made it seem like people gobbled it up with abandon. Why only sell 100 licenses? Somehow it all seems made up (honest, outsider point of view).
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    I've addressed this in two other comments [1], [2]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808
• _kst_ 10y ago
  This isn't something I'm likely to use (I'm a command line person), so take any suggestions from me with a grain of salt. But ... Most GUI file managers show a popup menu when you right-click on an item. fman doesn't. I'm sure the keyboard shortcuts are fine once you've memorized them, but a good right-click menu would be useful for casual users. Also, Ctrl-Shift-P shows a list of keyboard shortcuts, but it seems to be fixed size, and it only shows about a third of the list at a time. My screen is more than big enough to show the entire list.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    You're right. I simply haven't had time to implement this. Features are prioritised according to the number of votes they receive on a public Trello board [1]. There's a card for implementing a proper context menu [2]. Regarding Ctrl-Shift-P: I've created a card for this [3]. You can vote on it to have it moved up in priority. [1]: https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman https://trello.com/b/WpIUiPAd/fman [2]: https://trello.com/c/wHX5czeT/22-make-it-possible-to-open-finder-explorer-s-native-context-menu-inside-fman https://trello.com/c/wHX5czeT/22-make-it-possible-to-open-fi... [3]: https://trello.com/c/PhdT0G7v/144-ctrl-shift-p-allow-to-become-bigger-if-screen-is-large-enough-so-user-can-see-more-entries https://trello.com/c/PhdT0G7v/144-ctrl-shift-p-allow-to-beco...
• SFJulie 10y ago
  Well midnight commander already does this... https://midnight-commander.org/ https://midnight-commander.org/ (yes it is a clone of norton commander for linux, which is also a clone of pctools 4.3 for DOS and yes I use these since as long as I have been coding and it is CLI based with productivity shortcuts)
• borzale 10y ago
  Loving the software, but I am finding the nag screen incredibly obnoxious (especially with its functionality, having a randomised button to click) when I can't even buy a license to get rid of it. Looking forward to you fixing that so I can actually use it :)
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    You're 100% correct. It's stupid to say "buy me" and when you do want to buy say "sorry, you can't buy". I didn't think this through properly (because I didn't expect to be sold out) and am working on a solution. If you leave your email for the waiting list [1], you will know immediately once a solution is available. [1]: https://fman.io/buy https://fman.io/buy
    • desdiv 10y ago
      Just curious, what's the rationale behind invite-only licenses?
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        I've addressed this in [1], [2]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808
• swrobel 10y ago
  No homebrew cask :(
  • tekknolagi 10y ago
    I submitted one because of this comment. Enjoy!
• swrobel 10y ago
  Already annoyed by the un-quick quick open animation. How do I turn it off?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    It's not possible yet, sorry. There's a card you can vote on [1] on the public feature requests board to have it moved up in priority. [1]: https://trello.com/c/zTua4A7f/58-make-it-possible-to-disable-speed-up-zoom-in-animation-for-dialogs https://trello.com/c/zTua4A7f/58-make-it-possible-to-disable...
• sunilkumarc 10y ago
  Looks amazing. Keyboard people are gonna love it.
• sunilkumarc 10y ago
  Why do have a randomised button click to continue without a license?
  • eps 10y ago
    Because it's a _nag_ screen. It's sole purpose is to inconvenience you.
• dflock 10y ago
  Glad I looked inside the .deb file before I installed this. It does the following things: - Adds `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list - Adds `/etc/cron.daily/fman`, which does this: #!/bin/sh update-fman The `/usr/bin/update-fman` script does this: #!/bin/sh set -e apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist="/etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list" -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts="-" -o APT::Get::List-Cleanup="0" apt-get install --only-upgrade fman -y As far as I'm concerned, it's great to add your repo to `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/` - this allows me to receive automatic updates to fman on my schedule. It's not great to run a script as root that brute forces an update to fman every single day. Also, if I delete this, it'll just come back when the next update happens.
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  • mottosso 10y ago
    The equivalent seem true for Windows, in which two Windows Tasks are added to C:\Windows\Tasks that automatically update fman every 24 hours. C:\Users\marcus\AppData\Local\fman\Update\fmanUpdate.exe /ua /installsource scheduler
    • stinos 10y ago
      I never unsderstood why one would choose this method over just running the updater everytime or every couple of times when the application is started. I mean, if I'm not eving using the application why would I want it to check for updates? But when I do, and I enabled it, then yes please check for updates.
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        It's a technical problem. On Mac, that's how it works [1]. On Windows, it uses Google Omaha, the same technology that is also used by Chrome [2]. This technology simply works that way, I believe because of permission issues (eg. user not allowed to write to C:\Program Files) and (I think) because it's harder on Windows to move/delete/overwrite an executable while it's running. [1]: https://fman.io/blog/codesigning-and-automatic-updates-for-pyqt-apps/ https://fman.io/blog/codesigning-and-automatic-updates-for-p... [2]: https://fman.io/blog/google-omaha-tutorial/ https://fman.io/blog/google-omaha-tutorial/
• demarq 10y ago
  Looks really good on ubuntu!
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Thanks!
• minus7 10y ago
  > Don't be a free user. Now that's just rude. Not even the linked article [0] manages to convince otherwise. In fact, it even shows the opposite standpoint: > If your free software project suddenly gets popular, you gain resources: testers, developers and people willing to pitch in. If your free website takes off, you lose resources. If you don't want users to use it for free, don't offer it for free, but don't insult your users. [0] https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/ https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/
  • throw_away 10y ago
    Especially when you make licenses scarce: https://fman.io/buy https://fman.io/buy > I'm sorry, we're sold out :-( 100 licenses were made available on March 1, and all are gone. Please join the waiting list below to be notified when new licenses become available. Not sure I understand the intent here of keeping people from paying you.
    • mherrmann 10y ago
      This was rightly also pointed out by others. I'm sorry. I didn't expect to be sold out and am working on a solution. If you leave your email on the waiting list [1] then you'll know immediately when a solution is available. [1]: https://fman.io/buy https://fman.io/buy
      • herbst 10y ago
        Curious now. How is it a problem to sell it more than a 100 times? Nvm. Found your comment
        • mherrmann 10y ago
          I've answered this in [1], [2]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13777696 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13778808
• dvfjsdhgfv 10y ago
  I use two-panel FMs on almost all of my machines, for convenience mainly. How would you convince me to try yours when there are several other alternatives, much more stable and powerful?
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    It's cross platform. It's more modern than the alternatives. It has a Python-based plugin API with a vibrant (given its young age! It's growing) plugin ecosystem [1].
• sgt 10y ago
  I'll give this a shot, but I suspect bash will remain my 'file manager' of choice.
• fleurdelotus 10y ago
  To install, you need no admin rights. To uninstall, admin rights are required !!! How can i uninstall this ??????
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Sorry for the trouble - does it also "require" admin rights when you run C:/Users/<your user>/AppData/Local/fman/uninstall.exe?
    • fleurdelotus 10y ago
      Yes, it works. Thank u but this is counter-intuitive!
      • mherrmann 10y ago
        You're right sorry. I created a card for this [1] on the "issue tracker". [1]: https://trello.com/c/onDHN3Q5/150-windows-uninstalling-via-control-panel-requires-administrator-privileges-executing-uninstall-exe-doesn-t https://trello.com/c/onDHN3Q5/150-windows-uninstalling-via-c...
• slrz 10y ago
  If I buy this, do I get the source code in a modifiable and non-obfuscated form, even if not under the terms of an OSS license (i.e. no redistribution)? I mean, it's a programmer's tool so not having sources would be a big downside.
  • mherrmann 10y ago
    Nope, sorry. If that is a hard requirement for you, then you'll have to find an alternative.
• stirner 10y ago
  All POSIX operating systems come with a powerful file manager for programmers: the POSIX shell and core utilities.