I maintain the firm position that humor can in-and-of-itself contain substantive points. But alas, I'm fighting windmills here-this is a subject I've discussed

I maintain the firm position that humor can in-and-of-itself contain substantive points. But alas, I'm fighting windmills here-this is a subject I've discussed in other threads; I understand the want for the community to remain at a certain level. "Jokes"/"Humor" however seem like boogeymen/scapegoats to that end; at least in my opinion. Edit: Caught your edit here- One thing to keep in mind is that if there's good human in a comment that has good substantive content as well, it's likely not a bad thing and won't be downvoted. One would think. I've definitely observed the exact opposite with a frequency that's hard to put aside as 'outlier'. But I get your point.