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My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper th

by sergers 10y ago

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't want to make that sacrifice and lived with the pain. Nothing honestly helped long term till I convinced her to try cannabis 3 years ago that so far has been more effective. She is now on low daily dose with no flare-ups in atleast a year. From personal experience as a 15 year recreational user and 10 years actual therapy/medicinal use:For chronic pain and intestinal issues it works wonders, but it's not any immediate relief with severe pain. That may change with higher concentrations and improvements in delivery methods.

nitemice 10y ago
According to work done by the Johns Hopkins group, smoking or vaporising can provide pretty quick relief, whereas ingestion is good for chronic pain. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-about-the-effects-of-medical-marijuana/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-abou...
- sergers 10y ago
  Yea maybe I haven't had strong enough. I tried to treat a toothache and another time arm injury by vaping CBD oil at 25mg/ml. 5 ml later(tank capacity), it didn't do too much relief. I think if I had strong enough (500mg-1000mg CBD) I think it could potentially provide larger relief. I think my tolerance has been raised due to years of recreational use vs therapeutic/real medicine use
  - jessep 10y ago
    I know people say CBD is good for pain, but in my experience the high is actually part of what helps. I personally like good old OG Kush for pain.
    - sergers 10y ago
      My tolerance may be too high. Smoking doesn't relieve pain for me, helps provide some relief via relaxation or just super high.(kush or straight indica). Edibles I have to eat alot and time to kick in long, not too big fan of edibles. indica, hybrid and sativa shatter/bidder)oil, live resin etc I never felt much pain relief (more to the head). A gram in a couple of hours I still didn't feel significant immediate pain relief Vaporizers (got a volcano for 15 years), provides a nice body relief and head high depending on strains. More for relaxation. CBD/mix as a Eliquids/juice in a ecig- I don't think I have had strong enough to fully comment. Pills- I need to have atleast 400mg before I feel anything.
  - mistermann 10y ago
    I think THC might work better than CBD for pain relief? Also, 25 mg/ml is waaaaay to low, especially when vaping. My THC vape is 800 mg/ml, and it works very well.
esalazar 10y ago
I have been seeing a lot of press lately around GI issues and the benefits of fecal transplants. Maybe something to investigate in this case. http://pulse.seattlechildrens.org/study-suggests-fecal-transplant-could-be-effective-treatment-for-crohns-disease/ http://pulse.seattlechildrens.org/study-suggests-fecal-trans...
- bdamm 10y ago
  It often is not helpful to give advice to people who are suffering from a chronic condition, if all you have to offer is some press you saw somewhere. They are living it, most people who live it also research it.
  - PastaMonster 10y ago
    They research it because the doctors can't be bothered with that even though it's their job. Why doctors aren't fired in masses is bewildering. Got this issue with my doctors. They just don't care about me. They want to do as little work as possible. They refuse to read the papers I give them. They refuse to use effective medicines according to the research. They refuse to listen to me period. They're lazy sadistic assholes. Finding a doctor that actually cares, works and fight to heal you is very difficult. As rare as unicorns.
    - noam87 10y ago
      Here here. Cancer patient. I've met a LOT of doctors... only two of whom I trust more than my own research. I had to diagnose myself (!!!) after two doctors gave me the old "it's nothing", took months while it spread, demanded biopsy. Am now stage IV while they're still raking in the cash, coasting through their half-assed careers. It's bewildering to me that I'm expected to put more effort and research into building some stupid web app than they do for being responsible for a human life, for a fraction of the money. People who've not been through the system have NO idea just how dysfunctional it is. It's sickening and criminal, at every corner -- and NOTHING is being done.
developer2 10y ago
Crohn's Disease is one of those things where, if you do not suffer from it personally, you have absolutely no business telling someone who does what they may or may not do to treat it - or rather its symptoms. I have a friend with Crohn's, and based on his reserved description (not far past PG-13) as to what he goes through on a daily basis, I would not DARE tell him that he cannot use marijuana, opioids, or anything else. I don't care what he needs to help him get through his day; he deserves quite literally anything that chemistry has to offer that he is willing to take. Nobody - absolutely nobody - has the right tell him differently. People are ignorant and frankly downright... disgusting/pathetic/opinionated (I can't find the words to describe how far beyond unacceptable some people's positions are)... with their attempts to regulate others, when it comes to issues that do not affect them personally. If you don't have a clue, shut your mouth and let those who have to deal with the situation dictate for themselves how they will manage or cope.
- PastaMonster 10y ago
  But letting people do what they want with their own body is an attack on those opinions and so they must be stopped. Psychology, with differing opinions and such you react the same way as if it were a physical attack. The brain simply can't tell the difference. Hence people do this. People can't just agree to disagree and move on. People will pick at the differing opinions like a chicken. Doesn't matter how many people they hurt as long as they get what they want. Whine, nag, violence, etc. Suddenly I started thinking of feminism. Human is a disgusting egoistical selfish animal. Expecting any kind of standard is naive and foolish. Related but off topic: The legal-system is filled with laws that reflect certain peoples opinion. The government act as if they own our bodies yet we don't see a penny for the rental and when we try and say "no" they use brute force to enforce its will. Quite barbaric. If you don't have brute force backing you up than you aren't recognized as a country for example. I can say I own the moon but if I don't have brute force backing me up then I'm just a joke. Hence as a person you have no say what so ever, you're irrelevant. So why do we have a comment section? Just to distract us from actually doing something productive and affect the world? Conspiracy? Sorry my mind wanders. Never could get the leash to work.
- Y_Y 10y ago
doctorcroc 10y ago
You also incidentally hit upon the reason why it's been marginalized by industry for so long -- it represents a huge dent in profits. Whenever something seems awry, a good question to ask is, cui bono (who benefits)?
- PastaMonster 10y ago
  and who loses? Drug industry can't patent it and own it and restrict it to cause demand and price increase. Alcohol and tobacco industry will lose customers. The governments, politicians and industries will loose face for example over the fact they have told lies for decades for profits.
  - bluejekyll 10y ago
    > Alcohol and tobacco industry will lose customers Tobacco is already losing customers, and this is partly b/c of the fact that second hand smoke has been attacked so directly. It's not just YOU that's smoking, it's everyone around you (marijuana, depending on it's consumption method will suffer a similar stigma). Alcohol companies on the other hand are just being paranoid. I suspect that alcohol consumption will maintain it's current usage, or potentially even go up. In fact, if marijuana was fully legalized, it's oil being very similar to hops (and in the same family, Cannabaceae), could be used in some beverages. The beer industry could in fact have an entirely "new" product line.
    - sergers 10y ago
      That is one thing I haven't tried, but do exist. There are several marijuana drinks that get you high being sold/marketed at dispensaries
    - anarazel 10y ago
      Fwiw, I am for legalization, but the second hand smoking of MJ bothers me quite a bit. I don't like the smell and, worse, get a queasy stomach (even though I otherwise don't have such issues). Living in places where people frequently smoke outside (Berlin, now SF) that's quite annoying.
enjo 10y ago
What is your mom taking exactly? I have Crohn's disease but unfortunately my attempts to treat with MMJ haven't been quite as successful. Since the research is so lacking, you sort of have to come up with a custom protocol. I'd be interested to know what hers is.
- Eric_WVGG 10y ago
  I have a friend who uses it to treat Chron's. Before, he was somewhat straight-edge, as I still am. He learned that cannabis comes under two general categories; one mostly hits "the head", e.g. Makes you really high and behave silly. Another hits the body. If I remember correctly, the former didn't really help with pain or comfort much; the latter is less popular with recreational users for obvious reasons. At any rate, there's a huge catalog of varieties out there; I would suggest going to forums frequented by other Chrons sufferers or cancer patients and get some specific recommendations.
draugadrotten 10y ago
> My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. I hope you are aware of this treatment http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/04/14/474221947/when-parasites-could-be-the-treatment-instead-of-the-illness http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/04/14/47422194...

by sergers 10y ago

nitemice 10y ago

According to work done by the Johns Hopkins group, smoking or vaporising can provide pretty quick relief, whereas ingestion is good for chronic pain. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-about-the-effects-of-medical-marijuana/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-abou...

sergers 10y ago
Yea maybe I haven't had strong enough. I tried to treat a toothache and another time arm injury by vaping CBD oil at 25mg/ml. 5 ml later(tank capacity), it didn't do too much relief. I think if I had strong enough (500mg-1000mg CBD) I think it could potentially provide larger relief. I think my tolerance has been raised due to years of recreational use vs therapeutic/real medicine use
- jessep 10y ago
  I know people say CBD is good for pain, but in my experience the high is actually part of what helps. I personally like good old OG Kush for pain.
  - sergers 10y ago
    My tolerance may be too high. Smoking doesn't relieve pain for me, helps provide some relief via relaxation or just super high.(kush or straight indica). Edibles I have to eat alot and time to kick in long, not too big fan of edibles. indica, hybrid and sativa shatter/bidder)oil, live resin etc I never felt much pain relief (more to the head). A gram in a couple of hours I still didn't feel significant immediate pain relief Vaporizers (got a volcano for 15 years), provides a nice body relief and head high depending on strains. More for relaxation. CBD/mix as a Eliquids/juice in a ecig- I don't think I have had strong enough to fully comment. Pills- I need to have atleast 400mg before I feel anything.
- mistermann 10y ago
  I think THC might work better than CBD for pain relief? Also, 25 mg/ml is waaaaay to low, especially when vaping. My THC vape is 800 mg/ml, and it works very well.

esalazar 10y ago

I have been seeing a lot of press lately around GI issues and the benefits of fecal transplants. Maybe something to investigate in this case. http://pulse.seattlechildrens.org/study-suggests-fecal-transplant-could-be-effective-treatment-for-crohns-disease/ http://pulse.seattlechildrens.org/study-suggests-fecal-trans...

bdamm 10y ago
It often is not helpful to give advice to people who are suffering from a chronic condition, if all you have to offer is some press you saw somewhere. They are living it, most people who live it also research it.
- PastaMonster 10y ago
  They research it because the doctors can't be bothered with that even though it's their job. Why doctors aren't fired in masses is bewildering. Got this issue with my doctors. They just don't care about me. They want to do as little work as possible. They refuse to read the papers I give them. They refuse to use effective medicines according to the research. They refuse to listen to me period. They're lazy sadistic assholes. Finding a doctor that actually cares, works and fight to heal you is very difficult. As rare as unicorns.
  - noam87 10y ago
    Here here. Cancer patient. I've met a LOT of doctors... only two of whom I trust more than my own research. I had to diagnose myself (!!!) after two doctors gave me the old "it's nothing", took months while it spread, demanded biopsy. Am now stage IV while they're still raking in the cash, coasting through their half-assed careers. It's bewildering to me that I'm expected to put more effort and research into building some stupid web app than they do for being responsible for a human life, for a fraction of the money. People who've not been through the system have NO idea just how dysfunctional it is. It's sickening and criminal, at every corner -- and NOTHING is being done.

developer2 10y ago

Crohn's Disease is one of those things where, if you do not suffer from it personally, you have absolutely no business telling someone who does what they may or may not do to treat it - or rather its symptoms. I have a friend with Crohn's, and based on his reserved description (not far past PG-13) as to what he goes through on a daily basis, I would not DARE tell him that he cannot use marijuana, opioids, or anything else. I don't care what he needs to help him get through his day; he deserves quite literally anything that chemistry has to offer that he is willing to take. Nobody - absolutely nobody - has the right tell him differently. People are ignorant and frankly downright... disgusting/pathetic/opinionated (I can't find the words to describe how far beyond unacceptable some people's positions are)... with their attempts to regulate others, when it comes to issues that do not affect them personally. If you don't have a clue, shut your mouth and let those who have to deal with the situation dictate for themselves how they will manage or cope.

PastaMonster 10y ago
But letting people do what they want with their own body is an attack on those opinions and so they must be stopped. Psychology, with differing opinions and such you react the same way as if it were a physical attack. The brain simply can't tell the difference. Hence people do this. People can't just agree to disagree and move on. People will pick at the differing opinions like a chicken. Doesn't matter how many people they hurt as long as they get what they want. Whine, nag, violence, etc. Suddenly I started thinking of feminism. Human is a disgusting egoistical selfish animal. Expecting any kind of standard is naive and foolish. Related but off topic: The legal-system is filled with laws that reflect certain peoples opinion. The government act as if they own our bodies yet we don't see a penny for the rental and when we try and say "no" they use brute force to enforce its will. Quite barbaric. If you don't have brute force backing you up than you aren't recognized as a country for example. I can say I own the moon but if I don't have brute force backing me up then I'm just a joke. Hence as a person you have no say what so ever, you're irrelevant. So why do we have a comment section? Just to distract us from actually doing something productive and affect the world? Conspiracy? Sorry my mind wanders. Never could get the leash to work.
Y_Y 10y ago

doctorcroc 10y ago

You also incidentally hit upon the reason why it's been marginalized by industry for so long -- it represents a huge dent in profits. Whenever something seems awry, a good question to ask is, cui bono (who benefits)?

PastaMonster 10y ago
and who loses? Drug industry can't patent it and own it and restrict it to cause demand and price increase. Alcohol and tobacco industry will lose customers. The governments, politicians and industries will loose face for example over the fact they have told lies for decades for profits.
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  > Alcohol and tobacco industry will lose customers Tobacco is already losing customers, and this is partly b/c of the fact that second hand smoke has been attacked so directly. It's not just YOU that's smoking, it's everyone around you (marijuana, depending on it's consumption method will suffer a similar stigma). Alcohol companies on the other hand are just being paranoid. I suspect that alcohol consumption will maintain it's current usage, or potentially even go up. In fact, if marijuana was fully legalized, it's oil being very similar to hops (and in the same family, Cannabaceae), could be used in some beverages. The beer industry could in fact have an entirely "new" product line.
  - sergers 10y ago
    That is one thing I haven't tried, but do exist. There are several marijuana drinks that get you high being sold/marketed at dispensaries
  - anarazel 10y ago
    Fwiw, I am for legalization, but the second hand smoking of MJ bothers me quite a bit. I don't like the smell and, worse, get a queasy stomach (even though I otherwise don't have such issues). Living in places where people frequently smoke outside (Berlin, now SF) that's quite annoying.

enjo 10y ago

What is your mom taking exactly? I have Crohn's disease but unfortunately my attempts to treat with MMJ haven't been quite as successful. Since the research is so lacking, you sort of have to come up with a custom protocol. I'd be interested to know what hers is.

Eric_WVGG 10y ago
I have a friend who uses it to treat Chron's. Before, he was somewhat straight-edge, as I still am. He learned that cannabis comes under two general categories; one mostly hits "the head", e.g. Makes you really high and behave silly. Another hits the body. If I remember correctly, the former didn't really help with pain or comfort much; the latter is less popular with recreational users for obvious reasons. At any rate, there's a huge catalog of varieties out there; I would suggest going to forums frequented by other Chrons sufferers or cancer patients and get some specific recommendations.

draugadrotten 10y ago

> My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. I hope you are aware of this treatment http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/04/14/474221947/when-parasites-could-be-the-treatment-instead-of-the-illness http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/04/14/47422194...