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Yes. People really hate JavaScript that much. ES6 brought some sanity to the language, but I continue to be firmly in the camp of continuing to hate and despise

Yes. People really hate JavaScript that much. ES6 brought some sanity to the language, but I continue to be firmly in the camp of continuing to hate and despise its existence.

wybiral 10y ago
Weird. I remember hating it ages ago. So much so that I was developing a Python->JavaScript transpiler (before all the cool kids were writing transpilers!) and blogging about how bad it was [1]. Granted, that was back in 2008 and most of my complaints have been addressed now almost a decade later (except for destructors, it still doesn't have those, but I also don't need them anymore). These days I move between JavaScript, Python, Go, and C seamlessly and I can honestly say that I don't hate any of them as much as clients, managers, and 3rd party code. [1] http://davywybiral.blogspot.com/2008/01/javascript-bad.html http://davywybiral.blogspot.com/2008/01/javascript-bad.html
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  People have definitely had and continue to have successful careers in, and many actually enjoy, JS. I would never debate that. I think language choice for many people is a personal decision. There are some that I will hold my nose and use; not even complain too much. There are others that the minute there is an alternative to, I would use that instead. JS is in the latter camp for me. If it helps, my current favorite language is Rust... they may be syntactically similar, but I just can't stand the semantics, or lack there of, of JS.
irrational 10y ago
This could be said for any language. Yes. People really hate C that much. C++ brought some sanity to the language, but I continue to be firmly in the camp of continuing to hate and despise its existence.
- algesten 10y ago
  It's a bit different. For system level programming you have a choice to get around C/C++. For browser programming, or full stack in a single language, you have less choice, and none if you reject transpiling.
  - bluejekyll 10y ago
    Right, with JS there's almost no choice. C/C++ I actually really like, but I fear the great harm that I can inflict upon myself and others with them. Anyway, the nouns are important.
scriptproof 10y ago
These people are probably over represented here else things like Node.js, Electron would have never existed - and be successful.
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  Electron is awesome. And with webassembly, I think electron will be even better. Electrons success is because it offers a single Dev experience across all major platforms, windows, macOS, Linux and the web. It's a great container for reducing the work to deliver code across platforms. JavaScript is a necessary evil right now; it's the least common denominator for delivery. I would probably choose typescript if I were starting a new app right now to target it, though I want to play with Rust and webassembly soon. It's success is not bc of JavaScript; it's because it merges the cross platform Dev experience.

Yes. People really hate JavaScript that much. ES6 brought some sanity to the language, but I continue to be firmly in the camp of continuing to hate and despise its existence.

wybiral 10y ago

Weird. I remember hating it ages ago. So much so that I was developing a Python->JavaScript transpiler (before all the cool kids were writing transpilers!) and blogging about how bad it was [1]. Granted, that was back in 2008 and most of my complaints have been addressed now almost a decade later (except for destructors, it still doesn't have those, but I also don't need them anymore). These days I move between JavaScript, Python, Go, and C seamlessly and I can honestly say that I don't hate any of them as much as clients, managers, and 3rd party code. [1] http://davywybiral.blogspot.com/2008/01/javascript-bad.html http://davywybiral.blogspot.com/2008/01/javascript-bad.html

bluejekyll 10y ago
People have definitely had and continue to have successful careers in, and many actually enjoy, JS. I would never debate that. I think language choice for many people is a personal decision. There are some that I will hold my nose and use; not even complain too much. There are others that the minute there is an alternative to, I would use that instead. JS is in the latter camp for me. If it helps, my current favorite language is Rust... they may be syntactically similar, but I just can't stand the semantics, or lack there of, of JS.

irrational 10y ago

This could be said for any language. Yes. People really hate C that much. C++ brought some sanity to the language, but I continue to be firmly in the camp of continuing to hate and despise its existence.

algesten 10y ago
It's a bit different. For system level programming you have a choice to get around C/C++. For browser programming, or full stack in a single language, you have less choice, and none if you reject transpiling.
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  Right, with JS there's almost no choice. C/C++ I actually really like, but I fear the great harm that I can inflict upon myself and others with them. Anyway, the nouns are important.

scriptproof 10y ago

These people are probably over represented here else things like Node.js, Electron would have never existed - and be successful.

bluejekyll 10y ago
Electron is awesome. And with webassembly, I think electron will be even better. Electrons success is because it offers a single Dev experience across all major platforms, windows, macOS, Linux and the web. It's a great container for reducing the work to deliver code across platforms. JavaScript is a necessary evil right now; it's the least common denominator for delivery. I would probably choose typescript if I were starting a new app right now to target it, though I want to play with Rust and webassembly soon. It's success is not bc of JavaScript; it's because it merges the cross platform Dev experience.