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What do you mean 'no one wants for themselves' ? Here (Paris) a lot of people love to be able to walk everywhere, and there are huge pressures to get cars out o

What do you mean 'no one wants for themselves' ? Here (Paris) a lot of people love to be able to walk everywhere, and there are huge pressures to get cars out of the city : roads closing, lot of money invested in transports, etc... Some people with cars are complaining, but it is overall viewed as a good decision, as cars take up lot of space for walkable/bikable areas, parcs, etc... and they pollute really badly I do want a dense city with no car and more transport/the ability to walk to most places

PeterisP 10y ago
A dense city "works" if it has sufficient population, and Albi (<50k) apparently does not. This is what I seem to be seeing anywhere - urbanization as all or nothing, either megapolis or countryside, since the smaller towns seemingly can't sustain many things, everything (except real estate) is more expensive and with less options available; and it's even more so with education and jobs, with many professions simply not having any companies needing them in smaller towns.
- Majestic121 10y ago
  That's a fair point, walkable city definitely have to reach a certain density/population to be succesful. However, I would argue that the number is not necessarily very high : for example Niort (110k inhabitants) is also pushing pretty heavily to get rid of cars in the city center [1], making tranports free [2], and having experiments to push people to get rid of their cars [3]. All those have a pretty positive feedback from the local population Albi might be to small for it, but not necessarily by much, and I think it is also important to have support from the municipality Sorry about the links in French, but it's pretty hard to find infos on Niort in English :) [1] : https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/cadre-de-vie/quartiers/centre-ville/centre-ville-pieton/index.html https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/cadre-de-vie/quartiers/centre-... [2] : https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/index.html?tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=5399&no_cache=1 https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/... [3] : https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/index.html?tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=5373&no_cache=1 https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/...

PeterisP 10y ago

A dense city "works" if it has sufficient population, and Albi (<50k) apparently does not. This is what I seem to be seeing anywhere - urbanization as all or nothing, either megapolis or countryside, since the smaller towns seemingly can't sustain many things, everything (except real estate) is more expensive and with less options available; and it's even more so with education and jobs, with many professions simply not having any companies needing them in smaller towns.

Majestic121 10y ago
That's a fair point, walkable city definitely have to reach a certain density/population to be succesful. However, I would argue that the number is not necessarily very high : for example Niort (110k inhabitants) is also pushing pretty heavily to get rid of cars in the city center [1], making tranports free [2], and having experiments to push people to get rid of their cars [3]. All those have a pretty positive feedback from the local population Albi might be to small for it, but not necessarily by much, and I think it is also important to have support from the municipality Sorry about the links in French, but it's pretty hard to find infos on Niort in English :) [1] : https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/cadre-de-vie/quartiers/centre-ville/centre-ville-pieton/index.html https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/cadre-de-vie/quartiers/centre-... [2] : https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/index.html?tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=5399&no_cache=1 https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/... [3] : https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/index.html?tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=5373&no_cache=1 https://www.vivre-a-niort.com/fr/actualites/dernieres-infos/...