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I must admit, this is an interesting spin on it. Most people are not aware of the scale of this thing. And it's just getting going. I don't think people's igno

by laythea 10y ago

I must admit, this is an interesting spin on it. Most people are not aware of the scale of this thing. And it's just getting going. I don't think people's ignorance is a good reason to not protect them. If all the companies are at it (which they are due to lack of regulation and need to compete), then what good is it informing the user. What choice do they have? It's all very well saying they can choose to not use said service/product etc, but that is tant-amount to bribery - and an unrealistic prospect. So what actually happens is people click through the T&C's grudgingly (well, the ones who understand what going on), and downwards we go. We should not be forced into such a choice and the only way that will happen is regulation. EDIT: then again, this will never happen, because where do you think the gov gets their information from!

marvy 10y ago
If politicians think it will help them win elections, it will totally happen.
subverter 10y ago
I think people are much more aware of it since Snowden. And, as with all knowledge, people have chosen to respond in different ways. Some have become much more privacy-minded and actively seek out like-minded products and companies. Others haven't because it's not that important to them, which is their prerogative. > I don't think people's ignorance is a good reason to not protect them. Even if there are some who are completely in the dark about privacy, this mindset would lead to regulation protecting people from literally everything, as there will always be people ignorant of something. I don't think it's the right default stance to take. > We should not be forced into such a choice and the only way that will happen is regulation. We have a right to privacy in the sense that we can choose not to use a product or service that invades our privacy. But we can't force our right to privacy on others. The good news is, if there's a market for privacy-minded products, entrepreneurs will provide for that market. And I believe there is a market, because there's an increasing amount of privacy-minded alternatives. > EDIT: then again, this will never happen, because where do you think the gov gets their information from! Hah, this we can agree on! And I think it highlights an important point: How can we trust government to protect our privacy when they've been the biggest aggressor against our privacy?
- laythea 10y ago
  Whilst I don't agree with all you said, indeed the problem we have as a society is that (as snowden et al have revealed), is that I cannot even trust my firmware. And if I cannot trust my firmware, what is the point of securing anything above it.

by laythea 10y ago

marvy 10y ago

If politicians think it will help them win elections, it will totally happen.

subverter 10y ago

I think people are much more aware of it since Snowden. And, as with all knowledge, people have chosen to respond in different ways. Some have become much more privacy-minded and actively seek out like-minded products and companies. Others haven't because it's not that important to them, which is their prerogative. > I don't think people's ignorance is a good reason to not protect them. Even if there are some who are completely in the dark about privacy, this mindset would lead to regulation protecting people from literally everything, as there will always be people ignorant of something. I don't think it's the right default stance to take. > We should not be forced into such a choice and the only way that will happen is regulation. We have a right to privacy in the sense that we can choose not to use a product or service that invades our privacy. But we can't force our right to privacy on others. The good news is, if there's a market for privacy-minded products, entrepreneurs will provide for that market. And I believe there is a market, because there's an increasing amount of privacy-minded alternatives. > EDIT: then again, this will never happen, because where do you think the gov gets their information from! Hah, this we can agree on! And I think it highlights an important point: How can we trust government to protect our privacy when they've been the biggest aggressor against our privacy?

laythea 10y ago
Whilst I don't agree with all you said, indeed the problem we have as a society is that (as snowden et al have revealed), is that I cannot even trust my firmware. And if I cannot trust my firmware, what is the point of securing anything above it.